[Avodah] Selichos - Especially before Midnight

[Richard Wolpoe]

On 9/19/07, Micha Berger <micha at aishdas.org> wrote:
>
> On Sat, Sep 15, 2007 at 11:37:23PM -0400, Richard Wolpoe wrote:
> :
>
> I once wondered on list whether Yekkes lack the minhag to say Berikh
> Shemei, or whether they explicitly removed it -- whether because of
> "ana avda", post-Sabbatean fears of Qabbalah, or some other reason.
>
> The difference would be whether a yekke in a Berikh Shemei reciting minyan
> should say it with the tzibbur because he has no reason to be poreish,
> or whether he has an explicit minhag mandating he miss it.
>
>
> GCT!
> -mi
>
> --
> Micha Berger


Great question!

I have heard TWO versions.
Version A
The yekkishe Minhag is pre-Ari etc. and therfore NEVER incorporated Brich
Shemi etc.
Version B
The Yekkes reacted to Shabtai Zvi and therfore removed kabbalah AFTERWARDS

FYI: There is an  "Elokeichem" for Shabbas Shuva mussf kedusha that is NOT
said in Breuer's but WAS said in my Congregation.
Q:   Why does Breuer's [who omits virtually NOTHING from the Roedelheim]
omit this?
A:    Since the first 3 words are Elokeichem SHofeit Tzdedek and
The Roshei Teivos are Sh Tz - same as Shabtai Zvi
.
This  would support Version B above

OTOH Rav Gelley has said many times that Breu'ers does not say X or Y
because their minhag pre-dates the inclusion of X or Y into the Davening -
IOW the minhag is older than Rema!  This seems to support Version A.

I favor Version B but note that  I suspect some Shlah influence  [e.g tikkun
leil Shavuos] but NOT Lurianic stuff.  [E.G. no Psalm 30 before Barcu
She'amar]

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