[Avodah] Gezeros in the BHMK

[Zev Sero]

Dov Kay wrote:
> RZS wrote:
> 
> <<"For that matter, *can* there be gezerot in the BHMK? After all, "ein 
> shevut bamikdash"; or are we distinguishing "shevut" which refers only 
> to Shabbat, from general gezerot?>>
> 
> I am sure that there are more explicit proofs, but I happened to have 
> learnt a Tosfos last night which involves a gezera derabbanan with 
> respect to korbonos in the BHMK: Tosfos on Pesachim 88a s.v. "ha lo 
> kashya".  This is admittedly only a proof if you accept Tosfos' terutz 
> in this case.
> 
> Isn't the half-an-hour wait before the tamid shel ben ha'arbaim a proof 
> that there were non-sh'vus gezeros derabbanan in the BHMK?

That's begging the question.  The question was whether this was a
gezera. I know of no source that it was, and I was suggesting that not
only wasn't it one, but it *couldn't* be one.


> Then there is the question whether this half-an-hour is measured with 
> sha'os z'maniyos or sha'os shavos.  The Ohr Meir (by R. Meir Posen of 
> London) cites R. Hanoch Ehrentreu of Munich as paskening that it is a 
> fixed 30 minutes, while my Rav paskened that it is a variable 30 
> minutes, ben l'kula ben l'chumra.

Bimchilas kevodo, that makes no sense.  The half-hour was to see the
sun (or its shadow) move noticeably from its noon position.  The sun
moves at exactly the same rate regardless of the day's length.  If on
21-Jun the shadow reaches a certain point on the BHMK wall at exactly
30 minutes past noon, then on 21-Dec it will also reach that point at
exactly 30 minutes past noon, and not a moment earlier.

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