[Avodah] tachanun & lamnatzeach

[Eli Turkel]

In our shul they were debating whetjher to say lamnatzeach on Yom
Yerushalayim.
That led to the basic question of the difference between them.
According to edot hamizrach one doesnt say lamnatzeach whenever one
doesnt say tachanun which simplifies the issue.

However, Ashkenazim have a much larger list of days that tachanun is not
said then for lamnatzach. A quick look at several siddurim gave very
different answers as to which days lamnatzeach is not said
(e.g. isru chag, tu be-av tu-beshvat etc.)

The question is what is the rule when lamnatzeach is not said?
And why the difference (according to ashkenazim) between the two.

BTW I was just a nebi samuel and learned that yom yerushalayim is the
yahrzeit of Shmuel HaNavi.  In that case chassidim should certianly
not say tachanun on the 28th of Iyar.
Yesterday Nebi Samuel was especially crowded being the day after the
yahrzeit coupled with erev rosh chodesh.

ON a completely different issue I was a week ago visiting the Haas
Promenade.
>From there as well as Nabi Samuel one gets two very different views of
all of Jerusalem. From both sides it is clear that "har ha-bait" is MUCH
below
the level of all the nearby hills including the Har-Hazeitim.
Har Tzion is some 30 meters above Har HaBayit
>From the water tunnels that lead to the Temple mount it is clear that this
could not have changed very substantially since bayit sheni times since all
Herodian water sources are built on gravity and stricy knowledge of the
heights of the water sources and the final location

-- 
Eli Turkel
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