[Avodah] VeHaGita - Proof....sources and quotes

[SBA]

From: "Shoshana L. Boublil"
> RSB: Who was it that said that saying Shma in the morning and Shma in the
> evening is sufficient to be Yotzeh "Vehagita Bo Yomam VaLayla"?  Last I
> checked, it was in the G'mara...

SBA > That is a bedieved - and not lekatchileh.

Proof?....sources and quotes).
>>

As if that's gonna make the slightest difference..
But still...
(One of my rebbes, when farhering us, used to ask if we had
looked up the original of every Tosfos' cite.

It is VERY important as it is quite easy to fool oneself or get misled
by relying on a few word quote.)

So if you seriously wish to delve into this subject, study the gemara there
and you'll see that it quotes RY beshem Rashbi that it is OSSUR to
mention this (that saying Shma in the morning and evening is sufficient
to be Yotzeh "Vehagita Bo Yomam VaLayla")  to an am haaretz
(because they will REALLY think this is enough - and won't send
their sons to study Torah, Rashi).

Which shows us that
1) the baal hamemreh himself, Rashbi holds that it is a bedieved
and therefore should not be publicised.

And 2) his was concerned were that amaretazim will use it as an
 excuse not to do serious learning...

The gemara there continues and says beshem Rava -
"MITZVA le'omro bifnei am haaretz"   (Rashi: "..desavar (the AH)
krias shema notel s'char godol kezeh...im haya osek kol hayom
 (baTorah) kol-sheken shes'choroy gadol, umargil
es banav letalmud Torah..)

Clearly - it is a bedieved.

>>> Yehoshua was given this Tzivuy first hand, and he understood it to mean
>>> that he was supposed to lead the Nation -- into war and settling Israel.
>>> He definitely did not believe that it meant that MiLChatChilla he was
>>> supposed to sit all day in the Yeshiva.

See Megilla 3a about Yehoshua and his bitul Torah, that it was a bigger
issue than not being makriv the korban Tomid.

SBA