[Avodah] zman hadloko erev Shabbos and motzoei Shabbos

[Zev Sero]

A & C Walters wrote:

>> Shabbos earlier than 72 minutes after sh'kiah in NYC.  Apart from the 
>> fact that R"T, the Ramban and other rishonim did not live in White
>> Russia, they were giving the z'man for Eretz Yisrael/Bavel, which
>> Rabbi Yehudah in the Gemara was no doubt discussing.

> You are right. The Gr"o himself makes this point, that the zman daled 
> mil is only in Bavel/EY. However he is a daas yochid in this point.

Daas Yochid?  What is the Baal Hatanya, chopped liver?


> Royv  hold that there is no difference in the oyfek.

I'm sorry, but this is insupportable.  It is simply not possible to
ignore the latitude, and to pretend that X minutes after sunset it is
just as dark at 52 degrees as it is at 32 degrees.  It's obvious that
the farther you are from the equator, the longer it takes the sun to
sink a given number of degrees below the horizon, and therefore to
reach a given degree of darkness.  Whatever degree of darkness you
consider to be tzh"k, if it takes 72 minutes to get there in EY at the
equinox, it will take longer anywhere north of EY, or at any other date.
And any shita that ignores this fact cannot be taken into account, no
matter how many achronim, ignorant of astronomy, thought that way.


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