[Avodah] Definition of a Mechalel Shabbos Befarhesya

[Rabbi Meir G. Rabi via Avodah]

Micha, you are not correct to paraphrase my position as - the MSbF is not
ashamed of his Chilul Shabbos, even though every Mechalel Shabbos is not
afraid of Hashem's judgment

- I am saying that the Halachic definition of MChShB is deliberately
rebelling in a manner that shows the community that he cares not what they
think of him, Gd is not really the focus. Being Mechallel Shabbos was
chosen because at that time it truly represented that frame of mind.

Therefore these days people who are Mechallel Shabbos BeFarHesiya are not
to be Halachically defined as such.

All other considerations are peripheral and not relevant


Best,

Meir G. Rabi

On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 10:07 AM, Micha Berger <micha at aishdas.org> wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 05:30:22PM +0200, Lisa Liel via Avodah wrote:
> : On 12/10/2015 11:04 AM, Rabbi Meir G. Rabi via Avodah wrote:
> : > Is it not true that the status of a Mechalel Shabbos BeFarhesya is not
> : > so much a reflection upon the actual Aveira but upon the mindset?
> : > The guy who smokes at home during Shabbos is ashamed to publicly
> : > display his mutiny - at some level there is a degree of respect for
> : > Shabbos...
>
> : You could say that, but you could also compare it to geneiva/gezeila.
> :
> : A guy who smokes at home during Shabbat is afraid of what people will
> say,
> : but not of Hashem's judgment, while a guy who walks down the street on
> : Shabbat smoking a cigar just doesn't really care.
>
> I don't see the ddifference. Both of you are saying the MSbF is the
> person who is not ashamed of his chilul Shabbos, even though every
> Mechalel Shabbos is not afraid of Hashem's judgment.
>
> Or at least, not His Judgment about chilul Shabbos. He could believe
> that all good people go to heaven, and therefore his chilul Shabbos is
> just giving up on the icing on the cake, overwhelmed by the other
> stuff. I think that mindset is pretty common among our contemporaries.
>
> But I am not surprised that if conversion requires both "ameikh ami,
> veElokayikh Elokai", losing one's good standing requires not only sinning
> in a way that brings into question the person's faith in Creation and/or
> Matan Torah and/or TSBP but does so in a way that says they're also okay
> not being counted in the observant community.
>
> Tir'u baTov!
> -Micha
>
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