[Avodah] Chilul Hasheim, Mitzvos and Aveiros

[saul newman]

No. It has been previously pointed out on one or both of the lists,
: that regardless of the revulsion a mitzva causes in either the eyes of
: jews/goyim, it can't be a chillul hashem by definition...

This was asserted, not proven from sources. By taking it as a given
we're presuming our conclusion.


--------  you make  it  sound like it's an unreasonable assertion.  but how
could it be anyother way?
forget chumras---      if someone is grossed out by  let's say hilchot
niddah  or mishkav zachar----   straight biblical commandments ---  or
 mechiat amalek/7 amim--again stragiht biblical commandment--->  what could
you say, that there is a hava amina that the tora itself is a chilul
hashem??             it must be  that  chillul hashem is not in the eyes of
scoffers/atheists  etc    it has to be  in some lesser  group....


On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 3:01 PM, Micha Berger <micha at aishdas.org> wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 02:46:29PM -0700, saul newman wrote:
> : No. It has been previously pointed out on one or both of the lists,
> : that regardless of the revulsion a mitzva causes in either the eyes of
> : jews/goyim, it can't be a chillul hashem by definition...
>
> This was asserted, not proven from sources. By taking it as a given
> we're presuming our conclusion.
>
> ...
> : It must be, since the tora promises that others will see you and fear
> : you as a consequence of your mitzva performance, there must be something
> : lacking in our avoda....
>
> (Nearly?) every chumerah in one area is also a qulah in another. And if
> the qulah is greater than the chumera, following the stringency is not
> doing Hashem's Will. In our case, if one can avoid alienating others
> from Torah because one refuses to avoid an opportunity to do something
> non-mandatory, the action could be a net minus on Hashem's "scale" --
> and a chilul hasheim.
>
> I'm not sure, that's why my previous post had more question marks than
> periods.
>
> Tir'u baTov!
> -Micha
>
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