[Avodah] Geocentrism

[Eliyahu Grossman]

Avodah Listmates,

 

There have been some nice points on this topuic, and while an earlier post
of mine somehow fell into that "black hole| we call the Internet, I thought
it would be good to summarize the 5 items rather than just re-send it.

 

1)      RELATIVITY: The example given by Einstein was a train moving quickly
and a person dropping a ball, and the person on the train sees it as falling
straight down while the person outside, looking through the glass walls sees
it curving. However, this comparison falls apart for the geocentrist
because, like this example, we have two data collecting and reporting
satellites, one approaching the edge of the SOLAR system (not GEO-system),
and one that is nearly so, which, like the observer outside of the train,
can validate that the view of an earth-centered SOLAR system is not what is
going on in reality, even though it is a comfortable view for some
non-scientists.

 

2)      TIME: Since the earth is still, to the geocentrist, and slanted at
23.5 degrees, according to science, the Earth will have no seasons to speak
of (about every 6 hours it will change, which is the same as none at all) as
the sun whizzes around the Earth every 24 hours.

 

3)      SPACE: If you hold the Earth as the center, and have the moon,
Venus, Mercury, and the sun (pick whatever order suits you) whizzing around
the Earth, the distance of the Earth from Mars will increase by about 800%,
taking about 6 years to fly there from Earth, rather than the current REAL
time of less than a year. I have seen very complicated models trying to set
up the GEO system, but they all fail on keeping the current verified
measured distances (confirmed by external crafts hurtling through space -
the external observer with advanced measuring equipment).

 

4)      TRUE: I asked a week ago if someone could draw a picture of a GEO
System (versus a Solar System) where time and space will match externally
confirmed reality. If one can be made where the sun and all of the planets
are the same size and the same distances from one another with the same
orbiting speeds that have been externally verified, I am willing to accept
that there is a plausibility (within religion and philosophy) that the
GEO-System model has some sort of merit. Until then, I withhold that.

 

5)      FALSE: Some have said that just because something is unlikely, it
doesn't make it untrue. It is more correct to say that, with theories, they
express the greatest plausibility and possibility of truth until proven
wrong, and then, they are not true at all. There are many examples of failed
theories. With NON-theories, (such as Young-Earth-Creationism, Flat Earth,
and Geocentrism, to name a few), they are considered false unless there is
evidence to justify their consideration, and if they fail peer review, they
fail and are false, not simply "less true".

 

The difference between religion and science is that, with religion, you can
interpret something in unique ways, and while it may not be accurate, it
will have validity in its application. This is true in Midrash, for example,
and that is a good thing. 

 

In science, while there are areas where one speaks of plausibility, some
things are more or less plausible, but there is no such thing as more or
less true, just more or less plausible. For once it is disproven, it is
false, in science (and that process may take a long time), while in
religion, it remains. So it is incorrect to say that Geo-Centrism is "not AS
true as heliocentrism", but, rather, it a false concept of the universe that
we long discarded once we invented the telescope that can be used on this
world, as well as ones that hurtle among the vast reaches of our SOLAR
system.

 

I don't think that I can add anything else to the topic. I updated my blog
to reflect this. I leave the rest to you.

 

Eliyahu Grossman

http://eweirdness.blogspot.co.il/

 

 

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