[Avodah] meh choree

[saul newman]

having a little trouble understanding the sequencing of  the  'dor acharon'
 dialogue. , and reconciling with historical reality.                that
many have  asked  'meh choree'  is clear , both jew and gentile.
the answer though that has been given  not so sure.  specifically the
 claim 'al asher azvu'   .

 while  it may be  that 'dor rishonim'  of  jews  clearly held that  way  ,
we  see that  historically  later generations  [ and  we can take  the 20th
C  jewish people as representative , wherein  90 % could be fairly
classified themselves on some level as  'asher azvu']   don't per force see
Holocausts as punishment for abandonment of Divine imperative---  see eg
post-Holocaust  'Gd is dead' [r'l] movements ....

now that is just  the jewish perspective. what about  the 'kol hagoyim'  ?
 well,  in fact they don't see the Divine  Wrath as do to abandonment of
the  covenant --- but  rather stiff-necked rejection of  a new covenant....

so , in the 3500 yr  since  this Prophecy was given , it is not clear where
it was fulfilled---   unless we say that a Sodom-like  hyper-destruction of
the Land yet awaits ,  and the xtian world/moslem world will at that time
change their opinion of why the Jews  are punished....

or, was it  referring to the Babylonians  acknowledging the destruction at
that time , by a G-d they didn't believe in ? i would think they rather
attributed it to their superior army and gods...  as doubtless the Romans
did as well...
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