[Avodah] Chazon Ish on treifot

[Micha Berger]

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:58:54AM -0400, Rich, Joel wrote:
: The Chazon Ish in Treifot 5:3 famously states that the
: list was frozen . When you look at the actual language ( see:
: http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14334&st=&pgnum=40&hilite= )he
: seems to imply that it was fluid up till then based on the reality in
: each generation and that it "had to be " frozen then - I assume because
: the generations got weaker after that(see the Maharsha in Sanhedrin(?) on
: the 2000 years of torah vs. ymot hamashiach)

: Questions: If all the "gedolim" got together today, would they be
: able to change the list? ...

The CI defines the 2 millenia of Torah as one in which we were given
that authority. Not just the normal nisqatnu hadoros. He uses it to
explain the line between tannaim and amoraim.

Therefore, since we're not in the middle third of history anymore, that
authority simply doesn't exist, even if we could get universal consensus.
Not until the 7th millenium, it would seem.

See the discussion from back in 2001 at
http://www.aishdas.org/avodah/getindex.cgi?section=C#CHAZON%20ISH%20ON%20NATURE
http://www.aishdas.org/avodah/getindex.cgi?section=T#TEREFAH
RDE points to a second MM, CI YD 5:3.

I also found a reference from RYGB in 1998, and there he says "I believe
we discussed it here before"!
http://www.aishdas.org/avodah/vol01/v01n042.shtml#17

See the threads at
http://www.aishdas.org/avodah/getindex.cgi?section=S#SEVARA%20VS%20PASUK%20EMPIRICAL%20EVIDENCE%20VS%20PROOF
and
http://www.aishdas.org/avodah/getindex.cgi?section=K#KAL%20VACHOMER%20AND%20EMPIRICAL%20EVIDENCE%20VS%20PROOF

What I found entertaining is who RYGB was replying to... The archive
identifies a "<Joelir... at aol.com>"...

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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