[Avodah] (Neviim & Possible Mistakes); Akeidah & Yizchak

[Yitzchok Zirkind]

**Note an earlier incomplete version was accidently submitted please ignore.

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 8:38 AM, David Riceman <driceman at att.net> wrote:

>

This is true, but it doesn't invalidate the problem, since there is a whole
> class of prophecies meant not to be understood, which contradicts RCM's
> claim.  I cited two examples, and you (basically agreed) as follows:


I may have missed part of this thread, but IIUC RCM was saying (in response
to RHB who asks wether a Novie can make mistakes) that it is impossible. To
which I agreed based on the Rambam (Hil. Yesodei Hatorah 7:1-3) and I
beleive it is Muchrach due to the fact that Nvuah is a Yesod Hadas and from
the 13 Ikkorim, as well as from the fact that there is punishment to a Novi
Sheker, and there are ways to test a Novi (if he can make mistakes, there is
no way of testing and no punishment can be given)

Now certain Nvuos were brought up in question where it seems that the
message was not known not revealed etc. I will try to take them apart one by
one.

*Avraham Ovinu* in the Parsha of the Akeida we find that HKBH did not reveal
to him the entire prophesy in one shot "es bincah" (12:2) then "ychidcha"
then "asher ohavta" then "es yitzchok", and Rashi gives the reason why. but
ultimately in the same Nvuoh he got the entire picture he needed to know.
 The same is true in (12:12) "al tishlach" then "al ta'as lo m'uomoh"  while
Rashi doesn't give there the reason it is self understood from the previous
Rashi to give reward for every word.

Another Nvuoh by the Akeidah is (12:12) Ki Atoh Yodati where Rashi explains
at lentgh how HKBH answered the seeming contradictions that AAO"H found in
the Nvuohs, but in that case it wasen;t a lack of clarity in what to do in
actually rather how to reconcile them, and even that Rashi explains why HKBH
want to leave AAO"H with a question to show AAO"H's devotion (see also Rash
Shmos 6:1 D"H Atoh Sireh).

*Bilom* Bamidbar (22:12) we find where HKBH tells him first "lo Selech
Imohem" then "lo So'or" then "ki Voruch Hu", byt this is the same as before
that at the end of the Nvuoh (or after each Nvuoh (as per comment of RCM))
he knew exactly what yes to do and what not to do, while Rashi does not
explain why the stages, I suggested to show his evilness (more in another
posting bl"n).

*Daniel* 12:8, here we find a Nvuoh in which Daniel did not understand the
time that was given, but in that Nvuoh he asked and was told it was not
meant to be understood, but rather people will make mistakes (12:10) . IOW
that was the message of the Nvuoh, (note also that Yaakov who wanted to
reveal the Ketz "nistalkoh mimenu shchina" (Rashi Breishis 49:1) here it was
trickier a Ketz and yet unknown, compare to Nvuas Yirmiya about the 70 years
See Daniel 9:2).

*Zecharya* 4:4-5, here we find that the Novie did not understand but at the
end he asked in the same Nvuoh and got the answer, why the stages is not
important here.

Now you added Nvuas *Moshe* RO"H Adon Kol Hanvi'im
**

> Incidentally, there's another example in Rashi Shmini 10:3 s.v. "hu asher
> diber".


But obviously there was no need to know at that time who it would be, and
probably also a Kavana why moshe should think difdferently, Just as HKBH did
not reveal to Moshe yet the difference of Kodshei Doros vs. Kodoshei Sha
(Rashi 10:19-20), or like why "nisalma mimenu halacha" from Moshe RO"H in
order that Pinchus get his reward (Rashi Bamidbar 25:5) .  The bottom line
however is that the Nvuoh was totally true .  I would further point to the
Gemara Minochos 29b when Moshe saw Rabi Akiva and see Maharsha there.  There
is much more to elaborate vEin Kan Hamokom.
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