[Avodah] תשובה: further on Temimos

[Shlomo Pick]

Prof Levine had made the following point: 


>But I think that you have missed the point I tried to make. Surely you will
agree that if someone were to light candles before plag Ha Mincha with a
tenai and then drive for 2 hours to get to shul, that this is nothing. One
cannot light candles before plag for Shabbos or Yom Tov.

>It seems to me that according to the Netziv who holds that there is no
Tosefos Yom Tov for Shavuous, lighting candles before Tzeis is the same as
lighting them >before plag. This was my point. 




>>The reasoning is simple, the bracha over the ner is a birchat mitzvah,
there is an issue whether the person who lights is mekabel shabbos with the
bracha or not. 


>But it seems to me that there is no mitzvah to fulfill Erev Shavuous before
Tzais according to the Netziv, since Shavuous does not begin until Tzeis.



Indeed missed your point. And yet, even the natziv who says there is no
tosefet yom tov on Shavuot, may well admit that one could still be mekayim
kavod yom tov from plag hamincha.  It has to do with the relationship
between night and a calendar date and is dealt with by with some acharonim
on the issue of tosefet yom tov on pesach (tosphot pesahim 99b).  Some of
them a mechalek between a calendar date and nite.  As far as nite is
concerned, I could see that from plag hamincha although the calendar date
hasn’t arrived yet.  Again I don’t have the sources on hand and would only
be able to give further details next week after looking up my notes. In any
case, the article I just sent you deals with the natziv’s views about
lighting candles earlier on yom tov and how that fits in with shavu’ot.
Even the natziv would admit that melacha is prohibited from shkiyah, because
safek Leila, and yet can’t say Kiddush. From that point I certainly light
candles lechvod yom tov. And I contend even earlier, for although it’s not
Shavuot, it still can be nite from plag hamincha.  That may be the reasoning
for those who say I can daven arvit earlier, but can’t say Kiddush until
zeit. Arvit is a din in Leila, which may start with plag. Kiddush is a din
in yom tov and for that I need etzem hayom hazeh. Lechvod yom tov I can
light from when it could halakhicly be nite, i.e. plag.

Shabbat shalom

Shlomo

 

 

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