[Avodah] תשובה: further on Temimos

[Shlomo Pick]

Your question is excellent, and prima facie, it would appear that a woman
should not light earlier on erev shavu’ot according to the Natziv.  And yet
what about kavod yom tov mentioned in my last posting?  It could very be
that the natziv will not work out with this rambam and the posekim who say
women should light earlier, for they may have other reasons for making arvit
later, like temeemos (see below on that). Nevertheless, I would offer the
following solution – she should to light with a bracha early for the kiyyum
kavod yom tov, but make a tenai (stipulation) that she is not accepting yom
tov yet. That would satisfy both requirements.

In any case, your question is so good, let me recommend the 3 page article
by rabbi ya’akov hochberger, beinyan zeman hadlakat haneirot bechag
hashavot, in Zecher Avot, 5753, pp. 147-149, which takes your question,
bringing further sources from the natziv’s responsa, dealing with issues
mentioned earlier.  He doesn’t suggest what is suggest, and in that point,
zaruch iyyun. He does note that since women are exempt from sefira, they
don’t have temeemous, and so can light earlier without any problems. If so,
then we have a solution to your problem, your womenfolk can start eating
earlier, after making their own Kiddush, enjoy themselves, while you and
fellow talmidei chachamim are awaiting temimos.  This is not a pesak
halakha, just following throught r. hochberger’s logic.

The article can be accessed by bai ilan’s responsa project kotar.

There is a further article by r. Yehuda pearl, zeman hadlakat ner beyom tov,
found in derekh halacha, pp. 52-60, which I have not been able to access.
>From the title it deals with the general issue of when to light the yom tov
candles.

Prof. Levine, I appreciate your pushing this point, because I had to do some
research, and I came upon r. hochberger’s article which touches upon some
other issues, bringing further proofs, to lighting the yom tov in general
lechvod yom tov. He brings the brisker rav in favor of generally lighting
the candles earlier, as well as a discussion if women are included in
tosephet yom tov in general.

Kol tuv

Shlomo Pick

 

 

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מאת: Prof. Levine [mailto:llevine at stevens.edu] 
נשלח: Thursday, June 04, 2009 8:11 PM
אל: Shlomo Pick; 'Prof. Levine'
עותק: avodah at aishdas.org
נושא: further on Temimos

 

At 12:25 PM 6/4/2009, Shlomo Pick wrote:



Her son concurred with this pesak, and we have shown so do gedolei horaah
of this generation. 


How do you reconcile all of this with what you wrote, "according to the
Natziv the real reason for delaying maariv on Shavuot is because the verse
states beEtzem hayom hazeh which negates tosefet yom tov for Shavuot and
thus there would be no difference between the two days in the Diaspora."?

Will you say that a woman who lights candles at the usual time, 18 minutes
before Shkia here in America, is not m'kabel Yom Tov as she is on say,
Pesach, when she lights the candles at the usual time?

YL


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