[Avodah] Gentiles in Torah
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Wed Oct 15 22:04:39 PDT 2008
From: Micha Berger _micha at aishdas.org_ (mailto:micha at aishdas.org)
So far they match. Now, what as I can only see as apologetics for the
laaz speaking audience:
> It should be noted that among the [umos ha'olam] there are also to
> be found those whose souls are derived from kelipat nogah.33 Called
> "[chassidei umos ha'olam]," these righteous individuals are benevolent
> not out of selfish motives but out of a genuine concern for their fellow.
[snip]
One distinction one /could/ make, although the Tanya does not the door is
open for it, is not between chassidei umos ha'olam and other nachriim, but
between geirei toshav and other nachriim. ...
But then, anyone who believes that nachriim are inherently structurally
different rather than believing the differences are caused by differences
in roles, already believes that geirei *tzedeq* undergo structural
changes. Why not geirei toshav too?
>>>>>>
This seems to me to be related to the concurrent "bechira" thread now
running on Avodah. If some goyim are simply born with different souls than others,
and the ones with the better souls are the tzaddikei umos ha'olam, then it
seems that they aren't righteous because of the way they exercise their free
will but just because they're born that way. Free will doesn't seem to come
into it.
OTOH they /choose/ to be righteous and /then/ as a consequence or reward,
they are given "new and improved" souls, then the "better" goyim with the
"better" souls got their way by their own efforts, by the exercise of their free
will.
--Toby Katz
GCT
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