[Avodah] Gentiles in Torah

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Wed Oct 15 22:04:39 PDT 2008


 
 
From: Micha Berger _micha at aishdas.org_ (mailto:micha at aishdas.org) 


So far they  match. Now, what as I can only see as apologetics for the
laaz speaking  audience:
> It should be noted that among the [umos ha'olam] there are  also to
> be found those whose souls are derived from kelipat nogah.33  Called
> "[chassidei umos ha'olam]," these righteous individuals are  benevolent
> not out of selfish motives but out of a genuine concern for  their fellow.

[snip]
One distinction one /could/ make, although the  Tanya does not the door is
open for it, is not between chassidei umos ha'olam  and other nachriim, but
between geirei toshav and other nachriim.  ...
But then, anyone who believes that nachriim are inherently  structurally
different rather than believing the differences are caused by  differences
in roles, already believes that geirei *tzedeq* undergo  structural
changes. Why not geirei toshav too?



>>>>>>
This seems to me to be related to the concurrent "bechira" thread now  
running on Avodah.  If some goyim are simply born with different  souls than others, 
and the ones with the better souls are the tzaddikei umos  ha'olam, then it 
seems that they aren't righteous because of the way they  exercise their free 
will but just because they're born that way.  Free will  doesn't seem to come 
into it.
 
OTOH they /choose/ to be righteous and /then/ as a consequence or reward,  
they are given "new and improved" souls, then the "better" goyim with the  
"better" souls got their way by their own efforts, by the exercise of their free  
will.





--Toby  Katz
GCT
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