[Avodah] pach hashemen
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Tue Dec 30 11:21:12 PST 2008
From: Micha Berger _micha at aishdas.org_ (mailto:micha at aishdas.org)
: All those miracles were in the Bayis Rishon. There were no open miracles in
: the Bayis Sheni -- with the single exception of the pach hashemen. This
: miracle was therefore seen as a throwback to earlier times and a brief
sign of
: Hashem's favor, a momentary ray of sunshine in the darkening gloom. [--TK]
>>I would have argued the exact reverse. How many people saw how much
oil burned for 8 days? Only kohanim who were ready to serve and in the
Heichal could have seen them fill it.
This is very far from the national nature of the events commemorated by
the regalim or Purim.
I would propose that this is why CHanukah isn't founded upon the miracle
of the oil....<<
>>>>>
I was answering somebody who didn't think the pach hashemen was a big deal
at all, since miracles were a common occurrence in the Bais Hamikdash. I
can't find my source now but I believe that miracles were /not/ a daily
occurrence at all during the time of the Bayis Sheini.
However I did not mean to imply that the oil miracle was the main reason for
Chanuka.
The main reason was the victory of the Chashmonaim over the Greeks and
Hellenizers. And since that military victory was very short-lived, the main
reason for Chanukah was the ultimate triumph of Orthodoxy over Reform and
Conservative ersatz forms of Judaism -- well, sorry about the editorializing -- it
was the triumph of the Torah camp over the Hellenizing camp. It was this
latter victory which did indeed prove to be permanent, despite the persistence,
for a couple of centuries, of a Hellenizing yetzer hara.
As for the miracle of the oil, by itself it wasn't the reason for Chanuka,
but it served as a sign that the military (and spiritual) victory were Divine
miracles, too.
Without that sign of something overtly miraculous, people might have
understood the Chashmonai victory --as indeed secular Zionists do understand it --
as a tactical victory achieved through the superior military planning of a
clever group of guerilla fighters. (This narrative was especially popular when
the guerillas were Jews fighting Brits in 1947 -- not so much now when the
Jews play the Greeks and the Gazan Arabs play the Chashmonaim in the popular
secular imagination.)
That's why I said the miracle of the oil was a ray of light in the darkening
gloom. It showed that even when there was a general hester panim -- as was
the case throughout the Bayis Sheni and ever since -- there were and are
still moments in history when Hashgacha Pratis comes through in more obvious ways
to ensure the survival of the Torah community. The oil was the *sign* of a
miracle -- the miracle is our survival.
--Toby Katz
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