[Avodah] davening to melachim/toby

[herb basser]

Toby:
"That's like saying your sense of humor is a separate being from you. "

Yeah-- sometimes I just say these things also, because thats the minhag and think like that. I know from reliable eidus rav yaakov weinberg interupted slichos once and silenced the shaliach tsibur. anyways--what makes you think I have as sence of humor? anyways-- either you are misaken or for hazal hashem is schitzoid, which I refuse to accept.

-- do you doven to your sense of humor or talk to it? there is a very ancient strand that divides the midos-- especially din and rachamim as agents of overseeing the world. it surfaces in Philo (life of moses 2:99) and kabbalah many sources in zohar, ramban's rosh hashannah derashot,   Also in midrashim where they talk to hashem--b shabbat 55 a-- midas hadin asks hashem--what is the difference between bnei yisrael and idol worshippers.(megilla 15b) see sanhedrin 94a,  and see sefer haminhagim rosh hashannah 109 (hagahaot),  -- which quotes the aggada (midrash) telling us that midas harachamim was created and immediatley complained to hashem that he should use midas hadin to judge the world.-- in zohar "midas harachim" is "hesed" and "tifferes". and in the piyyut midas harachamim is directly spoken to by the paytan- which is my point-- and sefer yeraim siman 223 likewise and and shaarei teshuva shaar gimel (196)  has a whole discussion between the midos and hashem where hashem reprimands them. but your sense of humor may be a biria bifnei atzma-- a special creation too. 

btw-- why should we call it "neila"-- we asked for "psicha"-- pesach lanu shaar.

Zvi
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.aishdas.org/pipermail/avodah-aishdas.org/attachments/20081012/1a831e59/attachment-0001.htm>