[Avodah] O attend R wedding = kosher eidim?

Michael Makovi mikewinddale at gmail.com
Fri Mar 14 04:07:35 PDT 2008


> What I actually wrote was...
>  EMT

Ahh, that cleared things up for me; thank you.

If I have understood:

According to Tosafot, anyone in the vicinity can pasul, so we
segregate by designation, so they are part of an unrelated group who
cannot pasul anymore than if they were in a different location.

According to majority, only those who actually testify can pasul be
being a relative, etc. But if an R person is sitting in the vicinity,
no harm done, as long as he keeps his mouth shut (exaggerated
oversimplification, of course).

Nachon?

The question I have then is, according to the majority, what is to be
said in the reverse situation, viz. R majority and two O people
sitting in the area. Do we apply the same logic (only those testifying
count) in reverse and say that since the Os aren't actually
testifying, it is as if they aren't present, and only those actually
testifying (the R) count? Or do we say that this principle (only those
actually testifying count) applies only to pasul-ing, i.e. only those
who actually testify make unkosher, but anyone at all, testifying or
not, makes kosher if they saw the event?

Mikha'el Makovi



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