[Avodah] Roast lamb

[Richard Wolpoe]

On Jan 23, 2008 5:39 AM, Elazar M. Teitz <remt at juno.com> wrote:

>
>     As for the prohibition extending to tz'li keidar, even though it isn't
> kasher for korban pesach: it's no different than beef or fowl, which are
> likewise not kasher for the korban, and yet are included in the minhag not
> to eat roasted on leil haseder.
>
> EMT


I'm not so sure.  Z,li Keidar is not construed as Zli
The minhag not have zli has Mishnaic rotos. and it may apply to other forms
of meat.
Zli keidar by defintion will have Tzir/mohal of the meat -ergo have liquid
and not be true zli.

If the Gmara or at least the Rishonim had this cheshash, I would be more
amenable. I find it troubling that it sems only the acharonim came up with
this "chiddush" which to me does not follow based upon the definition of
Zli.

Plus, a lot of people make chozeh out of this type of chumra. I think it is
counterproductive.  There are really valid harchakos out theres. I don't se
HOW putting a piece of beef/fowl into a pot could EVER be confused with zli
which is on a spit or suspended somehow over an open fire.

Imagine a humra as follows:  Don't walk in the house with your corned  beef
sandwich because someone is eating milk and cereal in the house.   We have
harchakos already in the Mishna about ein ma'alin.  Arent' hazal's harachos
enough - especially when the odds are so remote?  It might not technicaly be
bal toseif but it is imho a similar mindset

Now if you were to roast a beef on a spit with lots of fluids I could fathom
a gzeira that MAYBE you will forget to add enough liquid and meshicha with
oil is after all still a good zli.  OK so make a gzeira THERE!  At least it
has seichel!

WADR I think this point re: zli keidar is pointless.  One can ALWAYS respond
that one can never be TOO careful. That is not enough it has to have  some
kind of reality check.

Life th Gra I was kind of cyncial about gebrutz. Then I read a stroy in
which a rebbgbetzin was baking with matza meal and women spread rumors taht
the woman was baking witth regular flour on pesach. At least  we have a
ma'aseh shehaya to justify a g'zeira, lest onlookers confuse matzo meal with
flour. This is perfectly reasonable even for a misnaged!

But tis to me adds no value except as  an excuse for leitzanim to make fun
of minhaggim...[which they have to me  personally]

If there IS a really good logic to this, by all means let's see it!

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Kol Tuv / Best Regards,
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