[Avodah] O attend R wedding = kosher eidim?
Michael Makovi
mikewinddale at gmail.com
Thu Mar 6 13:19:21 PST 2008
Was: Re: [Areivim] R & R concerts
The subject shifted to Orthodox eidim at a Reform wedding:
R' Toby Katz noted that Reb Moshe Feinstein ruled that R eidim are
unkosher, and thus, there is no wedding, no need for a get, no
mamzerim.
>> R' Toby Katz:
>> Of course if two Orthodox Jews attend a C or R wedding, then they may be
>> kosher eidim and there is reason to suspect the marriage may be
valid after all,
>> in which case they DO need a get when they divorce and the children of a
>> second marriage ARE mamzerim. So any Orthodox Jew who does not want to be
>> responsible for creating mamzerim should definitely never go to R
and C weddings.
> R' Harry Weiss:
> That is not necessarily correct. If one out of a Kat of 100 wittnesses in
> invalid, they are all invalid. That is the reason of the designation of
> specific individuals to be wittnesess at a wedding, because they are
> almost always invalid eidim (relatives)
And besides, maybe we could play like R' Akiva in the Sanhedrin, i.e.
(hypothetically) ask impossible questions? Could this O guy tell me
exactly how long it took to say the brachot, or exactly how full the
kos was? Or what brand of wine was used? Oh well, I guess he's not a
witness...
If this works, would you have to actually ask the O guy the questions,
or could we just assume he doesn't know the answers and declare him,
automatically, not an eid?
Mikha'el Makovi
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