[Avodah] Hot Cheese for Shabbat Lunch

[T613K at aol.com]

In a message dated 2/14/2008, Avram.Sacks at wolterskluwer.com writes:

You wrote:   “it shows a lack of  kovod Shabbos to eat milchigs for Shabbos 
lunch” 
>>But what is  the halachic standard for “kavod shabbos”?  Is meat—any kind 
of meat—the  standard? .... I would be surprised if you could anywhere in the 
Shulchan  Arukh where it says that only roast chicken and/or brisket can bring 
kavod to  the Shabbat table. ....Also, is it kavod-dik  to stuff yourself 
with chicken and brisket, when all that your body  needs/wants is a piece of 
gefillte fish and challah?   
<< 


>>>>>
The standard is basar vedagim.  If there is not some kind of fish AND  some 
kind of meat, your Shabbos meal is lacking.  The fish can be herring  from a 
jar, or tuna salad, though the gold standard is gefilte fish.  The  meat at 
lunch can be cold chicken (thanks to Chazal who were kind enough to  make chicken 
fleishig, for this very purpose).  Or the meat can be cold  cuts.  The gold 
standard is cholent.  The hot food shows that you are  not a Sadducee or a 
Karaite.
 
Because I am a milchig kind of person and not always so very hungry at  
Shabbos lunch, I sometimes fudge and just eat the gefilte fish and challa, not  
actually eating any meat but telling myself that I was yotzei because I at least  
put meat on the table (cold cuts, even) and my husband and kids had meat.   I 
also fudge with the cholent because in the Florida climate I don't always 
feel  like making cholent, so I tell myself that a cup of hot tea after lunch is 
also  proof we are not Tzadokim.  Also there is often cholent in shul, if 
there's  a kiddush.
 
It is interesting to me how the milchig - vs - fleishig Shabbos meal is  
another one of those sociological things that fall along a LW-RW Orthodox  divide. 
 An entire list of such items would make for an interesting PhD  thesis.  The 
general tendency (although there are many exceptions on both  sides of the 
"divide") is for RW Orthodoxy to be more formal, LW more  informal.

--Toby  Katz
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