[Avodah] FW: [Areivim] Are You Partially Responsible for the Shevach

[Chana Luntz]

Forwarded to Avodah for the usual reasons
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chana Luntz [mailto:chana at kolsassoon.org.uk] 
> Sent: 21 September 2006 19:30
> To: 'areivim at lists.aishdas.org'
> Cc: 'moshe.feldman at gmail.com'; 'llevine at stevens.edu'
> Subject: Re: [Areivim] Are You Partially Responsible for the Shevach
> 
> 
> 
> RMF write: 
> > <snip>
> > > Going to a movie and eating the popcorn: One person may ask an
> > > individual behind a counter what oil and popcorn is being 
> > used. This
> > > person, upon seeing a reliable Hechsher will then proceed
> > to buy the
> > > popcorn. Never mind the fact that the day before, they may
> > have used
> > > Treif oil! Once one person sees another eating it, suddenly, the
> > > popcorn is under the "EEI."
> > 
> > This is not relevant to your original example.  A non-Jewish
> > movie theater serving popcorn does not have a chezkas 
> > kashrus.  
> 
> I agree that this case is not one where chezkas kashrus comes 
> into play.  But if the person in question is indeed able to 
> establish that today all the ingredients being used for the 
> popcorn are kosher (without relying on the say so of the 
> popcorn seller, unless indirectly by derivation) - why does 
> not the principle of noten tam lifgam for anything older than 
> a day come into play?  Ie why is the fact that he may indeed 
> have used treif oil the day before not irrelevant (at least 
> m'ikkar hadin)? (I am not saying I would buy it either, but I 
> am not at all convinced that I have any basis for criticising 
> anybody who might not keep to my particular chumra of popping 
> corn at home).  The fish in the restaurant case seems to me 
> to be more problematic for bishel akum reasons (unless you 
> rely on the idea that as you can eat sushi, ie raw fish, 
> bishul akum does not apply to fish).  But I wouldn't have 
> thought that popcorn could be classified as roi l'achilas melech.
> 
> > 
> > Kol tuv,
> > Moshe
> 
> Regards
> 
> Chana
>