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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=en-IL link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Sorry to bother you all again.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I just figured out how to view the Hebrew parts of Rav Seth’s posts, so need to send help about that. Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>If this interests anybody, then let me know, and I can post how to do it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Yitzhak<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> Yitzhak Ajzner <yitzhakajz@gmail.com> <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 5 September 2024 11:59 AM<br><b>To:</b> dovbbb@gmail.com; 'Mesorah Email List' <mesorah@lists.aishdas.org><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Mesorah] </span><span lang=HE dir=RTL>מקראות גדולות - ונציה, רע"ח - מהדורת המקראות הגדולות הראשונה - דפוס בומברג</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>As always, this forum has been extremely helpful and resourceful! Thank you.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Using “SECOND Rabbinic Bible, 1525-7” for my search, in light of Dov’s correction, I was able to find the whole book online <a href="https://archive.org/details/The_Second_Rabbinic_Bible_Vol_1">here</a>. Was able to download as Pdfs as well.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Dov, I would love to read everything Rabbi Seth wrote in that thread. I took a look at the archives, but all the Hebrew he wrote comes out gibberish for me.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Do you have an email from back then that contains the whole thread that you could forward me? (I wasn’t in this group back then). Perhaps someone knows how I can view the file that one can download from the archives, so the Hebrew comes out properly?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Thanks for the great help!!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Yitzhak<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> Dov Bloom <<a href="mailto:dovbbb@gmail.com">dovbbb@gmail.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 5 September 2024 1:16 AM<br><b>To:</b> Yitzhak Ajzner <<a href="mailto:yitzhakajz@gmail.com">yitzhakajz@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Mesorah Email List <<a href="mailto:mesorah@lists.aishdas.org">mesorah@lists.aishdas.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mesorah] </span><span lang=HE dir=RTL>מקראות גדולות - ונציה, רע"ח - מהדורת המקראות הגדולות הראשונה - דפוס בומברג</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>The classic Mikraot Gedolot, refered to by Breuer as Dalet, is not called the first edition. It is called in English the SECOND Rabbinic Bible, 1525-7 I believe. This is the one Yaacov ben Chaim worked on. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>I shivver to quote Wikipedia but here they are correct:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Bomberg editions of Mikraot Gedolot<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:6.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:0cm;background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:#202122'>First published in 1516–17 by <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Bomberg" target="_blank">Daniel Bomberg</a> in <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venice" target="_blank">Venice</a>, the <i>Mikraot Gedolot</i> was edited by <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_Pratensis" target="_blank">Felix Pratensis</a>. The second edition was edited by the Masoretic scholar <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_ben_Hayyim_ibn_Adonijah" target="_blank">Jacob ben Hayyim ibn Adonijah</a> in 1525.</span><sup><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:#202122'><a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikraot_Gedolot#cite_note-3" target="_blank">[3]</a></span></sup><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:#202122'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:6.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:0cm;background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:#202122'>R Seth Mandel z'l wrote an excellent post on this very list on 31.7.2014 where he mentions both the Ibn Adoniahu 1525 (Second) addition, and refers also to the Pratensis First edition ( re: gaayot and hataphim). <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:6.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:0cm;background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:#202122'>From Seth's post of 2014:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:6.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:0cm;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Goudy Old Style",serif;color:#1F497D'>However, </span><span style='font-family:"Goudy Old Style",serif;color:white'>Ya'akov Ibn Adoniyah did quite an amazing job in the Great Rabbinic Bible published by Daniel Bomberg in 1525. He recognized the importance of the Mesorah and printed both the Q'tanna and G'dola. He he attempted to gather the best manuscripts of the T'N'aKh from around the Jewish world, and what he called "Miqra'ot G'dolot" remained the standard for all subsequent printings for 400 years</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:#202122'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:6.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:0cm;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Goudy Old Style",serif;color:white'>Dov Bloom</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:#202122'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Sep 4, 2024, 10:48 Yitzhak Ajzner via Mesorah <<a href="mailto:mesorah@lists.aishdas.org" target="_blank">mesorah@lists.aishdas.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060'>Does anybody know whether/where one can find the first printed edition of Mikra’ot Gedolot online?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060'>I mean the edition that I believe is often referred to as “Dfus Rishon”.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060'>Put out by Daniel Bomberg, with the aid of R Eliyah Bahur and Yaa’kov ben Haim.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060'>A pdf version would be great as well, of course.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060'>Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060'>Yitzhak</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>Mesorah mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Mesorah@lists.aishdas.org" target="_blank">Mesorah@lists.aishdas.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.aishdas.org/listinfo.cgi/mesorah-aishdas.org" target="_blank">http://lists.aishdas.org/listinfo.cgi/mesorah-aishdas.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></body></html>