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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=en-IL link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Here is how I was able to access the Hebrew text.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>As you all probably know, all the archives of this forum are available <a href="http://lists.aishdas.org/pipermail/mesorah-aishdas.org/">here</a>.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>When one opens this page, if you attempt to download material using the right column, as I did, you will download a .gz file, which is a compressed file, which is opened by WinZip, Rar, or whatever decompressor you use. Upon decompressing, one receives a text file, in which for me, at least, the Hebrew was gibberish, which led to me seeking help.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>At the next stage, I thought I’d try a different column in the archive page, so I just pressed the thread column. This open the original message, and all the Hebrew was intact.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>From here I just copy and pasted for my own needs.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hope that answers the request below.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Yitzhak<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>Sent:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> Thursday, 5 September 2024 2:43 PM<br><b>To:</b> Yitzhak Ajzner <yitzhakajz@gmail.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mesorah] </span><span lang=HE dir=RTL>מקראות גדולות - ונציה, רע"ח - מהדורת המקראות הגדולות הראשונה - דפוס בומברג</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Yes, would appreciate if you could let me know how you converted gibberish to Hebrew.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Thank you.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="ydpf8ecf690yahoo_quoted_6268347835"><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>On Thursday, September 5, 2024 at 05:05:43 AM EDT, Yitzhak Ajzner via Mesorah <<a href="mailto:mesorah@lists.aishdas.org">mesorah@lists.aishdas.org</a>> wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:6.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div id=ydpf8ecf690yiv2470239989><div><div><p class=ydpf8ecf690yiv2470239989msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Sans",serif;color:#002060'>Sorry to bother you all again.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpf8ecf690yiv2470239989msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Sans",serif;color:#002060'>I just figured out how to view the Hebrew parts of Rav Seth’s posts, so need to send help about that. Thanks.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpf8ecf690yiv2470239989msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Sans",serif;color:#002060'>If this interests anybody, then let me know, and I can post how to do it.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpf8ecf690yiv2470239989msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Sans",serif;color:#002060'>Yitzhak</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpf8ecf690yiv2470239989msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Sans",serif;color:#002060'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=ydpf8ecf690yiv2470239989yqt90760><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=ydpf8ecf690yiv2470239989msonormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> Yitzhak Ajzner <<a href="mailto:yitzhakajz@gmail.com">yitzhakajz@gmail.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 5 September 2024 11:59 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:dovbbb@gmail.com">dovbbb@gmail.com</a>; 'Mesorah Email List' <<a href="mailto:mesorah@lists.aishdas.org">mesorah@lists.aishdas.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Mesorah] </span><span lang=HE dir=RTL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>מקראות גדולות - ונציה, רע"ח - מהדורת המקראות הגדולות הראשונה - דפוס בומברג</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=ydpf8ecf690yiv2470239989msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpf8ecf690yiv2470239989msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Sans",serif;color:#002060'>As always, this forum has been extremely helpful and resourceful! Thank you.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpf8ecf690yiv2470239989msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Sans",serif;color:#002060'>Using “SECOND Rabbinic Bible, 1525-7” for my search, in light of Dov’s correction, I was able to find the whole book online <a href="https://archive.org/details/The_Second_Rabbinic_Bible_Vol_1" target="_blank">here</a>. Was able to download as Pdfs as well.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpf8ecf690yiv2470239989msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Sans",serif;color:#002060'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpf8ecf690yiv2470239989msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Sans",serif;color:#002060'>Dov, I would love to read everything Rabbi Seth wrote in that thread. I took a look at the archives, but all the Hebrew he wrote comes out gibberish for me.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpf8ecf690yiv2470239989msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Sans",serif;color:#002060'>Do you have an email from back then that contains the whole thread that you could forward me? (I wasn’t in this group back then). Perhaps someone knows how I can view the file that one can download from the archives, so the Hebrew comes out properly?</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpf8ecf690yiv2470239989msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Sans",serif;color:#002060'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpf8ecf690yiv2470239989msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Sans",serif;color:#002060'>Thanks for the great help!!</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpf8ecf690yiv2470239989msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Sans",serif;color:#002060'>Yitzhak</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpf8ecf690yiv2470239989msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Sans",serif;color:#002060'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=ydpf8ecf690yiv2470239989msonormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> Dov Bloom <<a href="mailto:dovbbb@gmail.com" target="_blank">dovbbb@gmail.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 5 September 2024 1:16 AM<br><b>To:</b> Yitzhak Ajzner <<a href="mailto:yitzhakajz@gmail.com" target="_blank">yitzhakajz@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Mesorah Email List <<a href="mailto:mesorah@lists.aishdas.org" target="_blank">mesorah@lists.aishdas.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mesorah] </span><span lang=HE dir=RTL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>מקראות גדולות - ונציה, רע"ח - מהדורת המקראות הגדולות הראשונה - דפוס בומברג</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=ydpf8ecf690yiv2470239989msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=ydpf8ecf690yiv2470239989msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>The classic Mikraot Gedolot, refered to by Breuer as Dalet, is not called the first edition. It is called in English the SECOND Rabbinic Bible, 1525-7 I believe. This is the one Yaacov ben Chaim worked on. <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=ydpf8ecf690yiv2470239989msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=ydpf8ecf690yiv2470239989msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>I shivver to quote Wikipedia but here they are correct:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydpf8ecf690yiv2470239989msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydpf8ecf690yiv2470239989msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Bomberg editions of Mikraot Gedolot<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydpf8ecf690yiv2470239989msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p style='margin-bottom:0cm;background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#202122'>First published in 1516–17 by <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Bomberg" target="_blank">Daniel Bomberg</a> in <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venice" target="_blank">Venice</a>, the <i>Mikraot Gedolot</i> was edited by <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_Pratensis" target="_blank">Felix Pratensis</a>. The second edition was edited by the Masoretic scholar <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_ben_Hayyim_ibn_Adonijah" target="_blank">Jacob ben Hayyim ibn Adonijah</a> in 1525.</span><sup><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#202122'><a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikraot_Gedolot#cite_note-3" target="_blank">[3]</a></span></sup><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#202122'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin-bottom:0cm;background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#202122'>R Seth Mandel z'l wrote an excellent post on this very list on 31.7.2014 where he mentions both the Ibn Adoniahu 1525 (Second) addition, and refers also to the Pratensis First edition ( re: gaayot and hataphim). </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin-bottom:0cm;background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#202122'>From Seth's post of 2014:</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin-bottom:0cm;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Old serif",serif;color:#1F497D'>However, </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Old serif",serif;color:white'>Ya'akov Ibn Adoniyah did quite an amazing job in the Great Rabbinic Bible published by Daniel Bomberg in 1525. He recognized the importance of the Mesorah and printed both the Q'tanna and G'dola. He he attempted to gather the best manuscripts of the T'N'aKh from around the Jewish world, and what he called "Miqra'ot G'dolot" remained the standard for all subsequent printings for 400 years</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin-bottom:0cm;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Old serif",serif;color:white'>Dov Bloom</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpf8ecf690yiv2470239989msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class=ydpf8ecf690yiv2470239989msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=ydpf8ecf690yiv2470239989msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>On Wed, Sep 4, 2024, 10:48 Yitzhak Ajzner via Mesorah <<a href="mailto:mesorah@lists.aishdas.org" target="_blank">mesorah@lists.aishdas.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=ydpf8ecf690yiv2470239989msonormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Sans",serif;color:#002060'>Does anybody know whether/where one can find the first printed edition of Mikra’ot Gedolot online?</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpf8ecf690yiv2470239989msonormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Sans",serif;color:#002060'>I mean the edition that I believe is often referred to as “Dfus Rishon”.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpf8ecf690yiv2470239989msonormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Sans",serif;color:#002060'>Put out by Daniel Bomberg, with the aid of R Eliyah Bahur and Yaa’kov ben Haim.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpf8ecf690yiv2470239989msonormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Sans",serif;color:#002060'>A pdf version would be great as well, of course.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpf8ecf690yiv2470239989msonormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Sans",serif;color:#002060'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpf8ecf690yiv2470239989msonormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Sans",serif;color:#002060'>Thanks,</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydpf8ecf690yiv2470239989msonormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Sans",serif;color:#002060'>Yitzhak</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=ydpf8ecf690yiv2470239989msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>_______________________________________________<br>Mesorah mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Mesorah@lists.aishdas.org" target="_blank">Mesorah@lists.aishdas.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.aishdas.org/listinfo.cgi/mesorah-aishdas.org" target="_blank">http://lists.aishdas.org/listinfo.cgi/mesorah-aishdas.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div><div id=ydpf8ecf690yqt39403><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>_______________________________________________<br>Mesorah mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Mesorah@lists.aishdas.org" target="_blank">Mesorah@lists.aishdas.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.aishdas.org/listinfo.cgi/mesorah-aishdas.org" target="_blank">http://lists.aishdas.org/listinfo.cgi/mesorah-aishdas.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>