<html><head></head><body><div class="ydp200beeabyahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><div style=""><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""><font face="Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" style="" size="3">Seems to me that in all these cases the location of the tipcha is not <span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">syntactic</span> . The two words לנער לאבשלום are long, and the tropes in cases like this would prefer to have the Ta'am Makdim not too far from the Keisar. The second pasuk (יב) is an example.</font></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""><font face="Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="3">The tropes do not have to do it, as they did not do it in the other verses. </font></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""><font face="Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="3"><br></font></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""><font face="Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="3">I am sure you read the book of William Wickes on the tropes. He writes that sometimes the dichotomy is on the word you want to emphasize.</font></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""><font face="Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="3">Seems to me that this is the case with the first verse. Leat Li !</font></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""><font face="Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="3"><br></font></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""><font face="Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="3">Shavua Tov,</font></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""><font face="Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="3"> </font></div><div style=""><font face="Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="3"><br></font></div><div class="ydp200beeabsignature" style=""><div style="color: black; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;"><font face="Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" style="" size="3">Aharon Gal</font><div style=""><font face="Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" style="" size="3">201-414-7190</font></div></div></div></div>
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On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 03:28:31 PM EST, Yitzhak Ajzner via Mesorah <mesorah@lists.aishdas.org> wrote:
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<div><div id="ydp6544a12yiv3048583435"><div><div class="ydp6544a12yiv3048583435WordSection1"><p class="ydp6544a12yiv3048583435MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:#002060;">Shavua Tov (from Israel; I imagine that many on this list are still in Shabbat)</span></p><p class="ydp6544a12yiv3048583435MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:#002060;">The words</span><u><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:Shlomo;color:#002060;"> </span></u><u><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:Shlomo;color:#002060;">לַנַּעַר לְאַבְשָׁלוֹם</span></u><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><u><span lang="HE" style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:Shlomo;color:#002060;"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span> </span></u><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:#002060;">appear 4 times in Shmuel Bet, chapter 18.</span></p><p class="ydp6544a12yiv3048583435MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:#002060;">Twice the te’amim put them together (red below); twice the te’amim separate them (light blue, below).</span></p><p class="ydp6544a12yiv3048583435MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:#002060;">(Please don’t let the tipha in the 2<sup>nd</sup> example put us off track. The tipha there is functioning as a </span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:#002060;">מפסיק במקום משרת</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:#002060;"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>. The 2 words are separated from the words </span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:Shlomo;color:#002060;">שִׁמְרוּ־מִ֕י</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span lang="HE" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:#002060;"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span> </span><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:#002060;">with the zakef-gadol, which precede them.)</span></p><p class="ydp6544a12yiv3048583435MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:#002060;">Any thoughts, when the words are together, when they are separate?</span></p><p class="ydp6544a12yiv3048583435MsoNormal"><u><span style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:Shlomo;color:#002060;"><span style="text-decoration:none;"> </span></span></u></p><p dir="RTL" style="text-align:right;direction:rtl;unicode-bidi:embed;" class="ydp6544a12yiv3048583435MsoNormal"><u><span lang="HE" style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:Shlomo;color:#002060;">לַנַּעַר לְאַבְשָׁלוֹם</span></u><u><span dir="LTR" style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:Shlomo;color:#002060;"></span></u></p><p dir="RTL" style="text-align:right;direction:rtl;unicode-bidi:embed;" class="ydp6544a12yiv3048583435MsoNormal"><span dir="LTR" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:#002060;"> </span></p><p dir="RTL" style="text-align:right;direction:rtl;unicode-bidi:embed;" class="ydp6544a12yiv3048583435MsoNormal"><span lang="HE" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:#002060;">שמואל ב יח</span><span dir="LTR" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:#002060;"></span></p><p dir="RTL" style="text-align:right;direction:rtl;unicode-bidi:embed;" class="ydp6544a12yiv3048583435MsoNormal"><span dir="LTR" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:#002060;"> </span></p><p dir="RTL" style="text-align:right;direction:rtl;unicode-bidi:embed;" class="ydp6544a12yiv3048583435MsoNormal"><span lang="HE" style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:Shlomo;color:#002060;">וַיְצַ֣ו הַמֶּ֡לֶךְ אֶת־י֠וֹאָ֠ב וְאֶת־אֲבִישַׁ֤י וְאֶת־אִתַּי֙ לֵאמֹ֔ר לְאַט־לִ֖י </span><span lang="HE" style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:Shlomo;color:red;">לַנַּ֣עַר לְאַבְשָׁל֑וֹם</span><span lang="HE" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:#002060;"> פסוק ה</span><span dir="LTR" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:#002060;"></span></p><p dir="RTL" style="text-align:right;direction:rtl;unicode-bidi:embed;" class="ydp6544a12yiv3048583435MsoNormal"><span dir="LTR" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:#002060;"> </span></p><p dir="RTL" style="text-align:right;direction:rtl;unicode-bidi:embed;" class="ydp6544a12yiv3048583435MsoNormal"><span lang="HE" style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:Shlomo;color:#002060;">וַיֹּ֤אמֶר הָאִישׁ֙ אֶל־יוֹאָ֔ב וְל֨וּ אָנֹכִ֜י שֹׁקֵ֤ל עַל־כַּפַּי֙ אֶ֣לֶף כֶּ֔סֶף לֹא־אֶשְׁלַ֥ח יָדִ֖י אֶל־בֶּן־הַמֶּ֑לֶךְ</span><span dir="LTR" style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:Shlomo;color:#002060;"></span></p><p dir="RTL" style="text-align:right;direction:rtl;unicode-bidi:embed;" class="ydp6544a12yiv3048583435MsoNormal"><span lang="HE" style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:Shlomo;color:#002060;">כִּ֣י בְאׇזְנֵ֜ינוּ צִוָּ֣ה הַמֶּ֗לֶךְ אֹ֠תְךָ֠ וְאֶת־אֲבִישַׁ֤י וְאֶת־אִתַּי֙ לֵאמֹ֔ר שִׁמְרוּ־מִ֕י </span><span lang="HE" style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:Shlomo;color:red;">בַּנַּ֖עַר בְּאַבְשָׁלֽוֹם</span><span dir="LTR" style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:Shlomo;color:#002060;"> </span><span lang="EN-AU" dir="LTR" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:#002060;"> </span><span lang="HE" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:#002060;">פסוק יב</span><span dir="LTR" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:#002060;"></span></p><p dir="RTL" style="text-align:right;direction:rtl;unicode-bidi:embed;" class="ydp6544a12yiv3048583435MsoNormal"><span dir="LTR" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:#002060;"> </span></p><p dir="RTL" style="text-align:right;direction:rtl;unicode-bidi:embed;" class="ydp6544a12yiv3048583435MsoNormal"><span lang="HE" style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:Shlomo;color:#002060;">וַיֹּ֣אמֶר הַמֶּ֔לֶךְ שָׁל֥וֹם </span><span lang="HE" style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:Shlomo;color:#00B0F0;">לַנַּ֖עַר לְאַבְשָׁל֑וֹם </span><span dir="LTR" style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:Shlomo;color:#002060;"></span></p><p dir="RTL" style="text-align:right;direction:rtl;unicode-bidi:embed;" class="ydp6544a12yiv3048583435MsoNormal"><span lang="HE" style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:Shlomo;color:#002060;">וַיֹּ֣אמֶר אֲחִימַ֡עַץ רָאִ֩יתִי֩ הֶהָמ֨וֹן הַגָּד֜וֹל לִ֠שְׁלֹ֠חַ אֶת־עֶ֨בֶד הַמֶּ֤לֶךְ יוֹאָב֙ וְאֶת־עַבְדֶּ֔ךָ וְלֹ֥א יָדַ֖עְתִּי</span><span lang="HE" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:#002060;"> </span><span lang="HE" style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:Shlomo;color:#002060;">מָֽה</span><span lang="HE" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:#002060;"> פסוק כט</span><span dir="LTR" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:#002060;"></span></p><p dir="RTL" style="text-align:right;direction:rtl;unicode-bidi:embed;" class="ydp6544a12yiv3048583435MsoNormal"><span dir="LTR" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:#002060;"> </span></p><p dir="RTL" style="text-align:right;direction:rtl;unicode-bidi:embed;" class="ydp6544a12yiv3048583435MsoNormal"><span lang="HE" style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:Shlomo;color:#002060;">וַיֹּ֤אמֶר הַמֶּ֙לֶךְ֙ אֶל־הַכּוּשִׁ֔י הֲשָׁל֥וֹם </span><span lang="HE" style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:Shlomo;color:#00B0F0;">לַנַּ֖עַר לְאַבְשָׁל֑וֹם </span><span dir="LTR" style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:Shlomo;color:#002060;"></span></p><p dir="RTL" style="text-align:right;direction:rtl;unicode-bidi:embed;" class="ydp6544a12yiv3048583435MsoNormal"><span lang="HE" style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:Shlomo;color:#002060;">וַיֹּ֣אמֶר הַכּוּשִׁ֗י יִהְי֤וּ כַנַּ֙עַר֙ אֹֽיְבֵי֙ אֲדֹנִ֣י הַמֶּ֔לֶךְ וְכֹ֛ל אֲשֶׁר־קָ֥מוּ עָלֶ֖יךָ לְרָעָֽה</span><span lang="HE" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:#002060;"> פסוק לב</span><span dir="LTR" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:#002060;"></span></p><p class="ydp6544a12yiv3048583435MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:#002060;"> </span></p><p class="ydp6544a12yiv3048583435MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:#002060;">Thanks</span></p><p class="ydp6544a12yiv3048583435MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:#002060;">Yitzhak</span></p></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>Mesorah mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Mesorah@lists.aishdas.org" rel="nofollow" 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