<html><head></head><body><div class="ydp553fe6ffyahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><div style=""><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""><font face="Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" style="" size="4">I read the nice post in Avoda, and I saw that some commentaries claim that these are two different places. I could not find however what the reason for this sevara is.</font></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""><font face="Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="4">In my opinion these are two different places. The one in Eretz Goshen must be a rural place. Bene Yisrael came there with their sheep, they had to be in the countryside. Indeed it says "BeEretz Ramses.</font></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""><font face="Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="4"><br></font></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""><font face="Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="4">The other one, mentioned in Shemoth, was a town that they built. Urban. The word "ערי", "towns", is mentioned here.</font></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""><font face="Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="4"><br></font></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""><font face="Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="4">The name רעמסס is made of two words.<br><b>רע</b>, Ra, is the God of the Egyptians. <br>The other part <b>מסס</b> reminds me the word missim:</font></div><div dir="" data-setdir="true" style="text-align: left;"><font face="Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="4">וישימו להם שרי <b>מסים</b>...ואת רע<b>מסס</b><br></font></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""><font face="Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="4">The dagesh in the letter samech in the word Misim, is due to the dual Samech in the word מסס</font></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""><font face="Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="4"><br></font></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""><font face="Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="4">We should not be surprised to find names of town or people that sound similar. The word "RA" appears in many of the Egyptian names:</font></div><div dir="" data-setdir="true" style="text-align: left; "><font face="Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="4">פרעה, פוטי פרע, רעמסס</font></div><div style=""><font face="Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="4"><br></font></div><div class="ydp553fe6ffsignature" style=""><div style="color: black; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;"><font face="Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="4">Aharon Gal</font><div><font face="Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="4">201-414-7190</font></div></div></div></div>
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On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 10:22:48 PM EST, Akiva Miller via Mesorah <mesorah@lists.aishdas.org> wrote:
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<div><div id="ydp1f554f58yiv6994219603"><div><div dir="ltr">I asked this question on Avodah 3 years ago.<div>Here's a link to that issue:</div><div><a shape="rect" href="http://www.aishdas.org/avodah/vol38/v38n117.shtml#03" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.aishdas.org/avodah/vol38/v38n117.shtml#03</a><br clear="none"></div><div>It only got one response, and it is in that same issue.</div><div>Spoiler alert: You only mentioned two of the five psukim.</div><div>It also appears in Shemos 12:37, 33:3, 33:5.</div><div>Akiva Miller</div></div><br clear="none"><div class="ydp1f554f58yiv6994219603gmail_quote"><div id="ydp1f554f58yiv6994219603yqt54504" class="ydp1f554f58yiv6994219603yqt6042632874"><div dir="ltr" class="ydp1f554f58yiv6994219603gmail_attr">On Sun, Dec 31, 2023 at 9:11 PM rabbirichwolpoe via Mesorah <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:mesorah@lists.aishdas.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">mesorah@lists.aishdas.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;" class="ydp1f554f58yiv6994219603gmail_quote"><div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>From a colleague:</div><div>"Another dikduk peculiarity i was wondering about: </div><div>the nikkud for the word "Rameses" in Genesis 47:11 versus the nikkud for that same word as it appears in Exodus 1:11 are different. </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Genesis 47:11 would seem to be pronounced "Ra-me-ses" whereas in Exodus 1:11 the pronunciation would seemingly be "Ra-am-ses". I was wondering if you have any insights as to the reason for this discrepancy?"</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>ויגש<br clear="none">בראשית פרק-מז {יא} שביעי<br clear="none"> וַיּוֹשֵׁ֣ב יוֹסֵף֘ אֶת-אָבִ֣יו וְאֶת-אֶחָיו֒ וַיִּתֵּ֨ן לָהֶ֤ם אֲחֻזָּה֙ בְּאֶ֣רֶץ מִצְרַ֔יִם בְּמֵיטַ֥ב הָאָ֖רֶץ בְּאֶ֣רֶץ רַעְמְסֵ֑ס כַּֽאֲשֶׁ֖ר צִוָּ֥ה פַרְעֹֽה: <br clear="none">-------------------<br clear="none">שמות פרק-א<br clear="none"> {יא} וַיָּשִׂ֤ימוּ עָלָיו֙ שָׂרֵ֣י מִסִּ֔ים לְמַ֥עַן עַנֹּת֖וֹ בְּסִבְלֹתָ֑ם וַיִּ֜בֶן עָרֵ֤י מִסְכְּנוֹת֙ לְפַרְעֹ֔ה אֶת-פִּתֹ֖ם וְאֶת-רַֽעַמְסֵֽס:</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div id="ydp1f554f58yiv6994219603m_4943706257744360635composer_signature"><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div></div>_______________________________________________<br clear="none">
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