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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060'>What an extraordinarily advanced level of discussion!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060'>I don’t see how your alternative explanations to Rav Breuer’s presentation of the exceptions could be what is behind this.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060'>An Etnahta <b>never</b> divides an entire verse, if there are 6 words or more to the left of the main division. In the verse here, there are 11 words to the left of the first word. Consequently, it seems to me unreasonable to suggest that an Etnahta is being replaced. Furthermore, proposing that an Oleh Ve’Yored then divides the left of what might have been an Etnahta, seems even more unlikely. Even musically, I somehow doubt that it would have been plausible to chant and Etnahta, followed by an Oleh Ve'yored. Say, like singing a Zakef after a Tipha.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060'>Rav Breuer’s presentation, on the other hand, suggests a relatively simple anomaly: oops, Pazer instead of Azla-Geresh as a Temura to an Oleh Ve'yored.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060'>Of course, the extra Oleh Ve'yored to the left complicates that explanation. But it remains easier to digest an Oleh Ve'yored dividing the domain of a temura of another Oleh Ve'yored; than Oleh Ve'yored dividing the domain of a temura of an Etnahta.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060'>Perhaps the exception could be explained as an influence of the Psalm appearing 3 chapters earlier (Tehillim 25):<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal dir=RTL style='text-align:right;direction:rtl;unicode-bidi:embed'><span lang=HE style='font-size:15.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>לְדָוִ֡ד אֵלֶ֥יךָ יְ֝דוָ֗ד נַפְשִׁ֥י אֶשָּֽׂא</span><span dir=LTR style='font-size:15.0pt;font-family:Roboto;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060'>Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060'>Yitzhak<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Mesorah <mesorah-bounces@lists.aishdas.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>galsaba--- via Mesorah<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 21 November 2023 3:25 PM<br><b>To:</b> Yitzchak Gottlieb <zukigottlieb@gmail.com><br><b>Cc:</b> mesorah@aishdas.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mesorah] Emet Trops<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Very nice !<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>I am not sure if Breuer was right about these two verses.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>No doubt that these two are exceptions.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>The question is, what is the exception?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Is it what Breuer wrote in his book?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Or<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Pazer in these two verses came instead of Etnach, and the exception is that here we have Etnach to the right side of Ole Veyored, and we have two Etnach in one pasuk.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Either way, it shows us that Pazer and Azla LeGarme are not complete Temurot.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Aharon Gal<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>201-414-7190<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="ydp81b697ccyahoo_quoted_0896242178"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 07:28:43 AM EST, Yitzchak Gottlieb <<a href="mailto:zukigottlieb@gmail.com">zukigottlieb@gmail.com</a>> wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div id=ydp81b697ccyiv8423470201><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>I don't have an answer, but Breuer (pg 315) has this </span><span lang=HE dir=RTL style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A'>פסוק</span><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span> as an exception in two ways:<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>1. One of two places a </span><span lang=HE dir=RTL style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A'>פזר</span><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span> is a </span><span lang=HE dir=RTL style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A'>תמורה</span><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span> for an </span><span lang=HE dir=RTL style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A'>עולה ויורד</span><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span>.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>2. The only place where an </span><span lang=HE dir=RTL style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A'>עולה ויורד</span><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span> splits a </span><span lang=HE dir=RTL style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A'>מלך</span><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span> rather than a whole </span><span lang=HE dir=RTL style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A'>פסוק</span><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span>.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Zuki<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>-- </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Yitzchak M. Gottlieb</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><a href="mailto:zukigottlieb@gmail.com">zukigottlieb@gmail.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div id=ydp81b697ccyiv8423470201yqtfd46034><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>On Nov 21, 2023, at 03:50, galsaba--- via Mesorah <<a href="mailto:mesorah@lists.aishdas.org">mesorah@lists.aishdas.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div></div><div id=ydp81b697ccyiv8423470201yqtfd10675><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#26282A'></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>I have a question regarding the following pasuk:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal dir=RTL style='text-align:right;direction:rtl;unicode-bidi:embed'><span dir=RTL></span><span dir=RTL></span><span lang=HE style='font-size:15.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><span dir=RTL></span><span dir=RTL></span>"לְדָוִ֡ד</span><span dir=LTR style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal dir=RTL style='text-align:right;direction:rtl;unicode-bidi:embed'><span dir=RTL></span><span dir=RTL></span><span lang=HE style='font-size:15.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><span dir=RTL></span><span dir=RTL></span> <b>אֵ֘לֶ֤יךָ</b> יְדוָ֨ד ׀ אֶקְרָ֗א <b>צוּרִי֮</b> <b>אַֽל־תֶּחֱרַ֪שׁ</b> מִ֫מֶּ֥נִּי </span><span lang=HE style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal dir=RTL style='text-align:right;direction:rtl;unicode-bidi:embed'><span lang=HE style='font-size:15.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> פֶּן־תֶּֽחֱשֶׁ֥ה מִמֶּ֑נִּי וְ֝נִמְשַׁ֗לְתִּי עִם־י֥וֹרְדֵי בֽוֹר׃" (תהילים כח:א)</span><span lang=HE style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>I put the spaces as they appear in Tehilim The edition on Mosad HaRav Kuk.<span lang=HE dir=RTL><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>It is clear that there is a long pause after "LeDavid". The reason is the ta'am Pazer. Ta'am pazer when it "rules" just its own word, ie, there is no any word before it, in this case this trope is not a "shalish" (the weakest level), but it is the "temura" ("replacement") of the Etnach.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>In this case, how it is possible that Etnach (its "temura") will appear before the trop Ole VeYored?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>How it is possible to have two Etnach (one is a temura) in the same pasuk?<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Aharon Gal<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>201-414-7190<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="ydp81b697ccyiv8423470201ydp3d7c50aayahoo_quoted_0790592897"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 11:11:20 AM EDT, Jeremy Rosenbaum Simon via Mesorah <<a href="mailto:mesorah@lists.aishdas.org">mesorah@lists.aishdas.org</a>> wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div id=ydp81b697ccyiv8423470201ydp3d7c50aayiv7652351431><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>This isn’t really a dikduk question. Without nikkud, the morphology is not fully specified. It is a compositional question. Which meaning of the word gives an idiomatically correct sentence. The answer to this, I think, relies as much on the use of the word </span><span lang=HE dir=RTL style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A'>מפי</span><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span> as the form of </span><span lang=HE dir=RTL style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A'>למדן</span><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span>. The broader context could also help. In other words, you could know every page of a reference grammar inside and out, and still not be able to answer this question.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Jeremy <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id=ydp81b697ccyiv8423470201ydp3d7c50aayiv7652351431yqt42763><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>On Sep 13, 2022, at 10:37 AM, micha--- via Mesorah <<a href="mailto:mesorah@lists.aishdas.org" target="_blank">mesorah@lists.aishdas.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#26282A'></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote></div></div><div id=ydp81b697ccyiv8423470201ydp3d7c50aayiv7652351431yqt47967><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br><b>From:</b> Zvi Lampel <<a href="mailto:zvilampel@gmail.com" target="_blank">zvilampel@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Date:</b> Sep 13, 2022, 9:49 AM -0400<br><b>To:</b> Micha Berger <<a href="mailto:micha@aishdas.org" target="_blank">micha@aishdas.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> A dikduk question<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 8.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:3.75pt;margin-right:3.75pt;margin-bottom:3.75pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Hi, Micha. <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Could you forward this question to those who would have an answer? <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>In this sentence,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=HE dir=RTL style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A'>וכולן למדן משה רבינו ע''ה מפי הגבורה</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>does </span><span lang=HE dir=RTL style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A'>למדן</span><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span> mean ''he learned them''' or ''he taught them'''? (Nikud is not given.)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Zvi Lampel <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>_______________________________________________<br>Mesorah mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Mesorah@lists.aishdas.org" target="_blank">Mesorah@lists.aishdas.org</a><br><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/lists.aishdas.org/listinfo.cgi/mesorah-aishdas.org__;!!BhJSzQqDqA!RzUh0IwM2l3_GU2S_5byzVSxUqJxl9gBp-ufbu3ck6OqVB4lz6wAwMCxjnQORTmFMatn04ky7vyTdGcesJEUljQp$" target="_blank">https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://lists.aishdas.org/listinfo.cgi/mesorah-aishdas.org__;!!BhJSzQqDqA!RzUh0IwM2l3_GU2S_5byzVSxUqJxl9gBp-ufbu3ck6OqVB4lz6wAwMCxjnQORTmFMatn04ky7vyTdGcesJEUljQp$</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div id=ydp81b697ccyiv8423470201ydp3d7c50aayqt64215><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>_______________________________________________<br>Mesorah mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Mesorah@lists.aishdas.org" target="_blank">Mesorah@lists.aishdas.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.aishdas.org/listinfo.cgi/mesorah-aishdas.org" target="_blank">http://lists.aishdas.org/listinfo.cgi/mesorah-aishdas.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>_______________________________________________<br>Mesorah mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Mesorah@lists.aishdas.org">Mesorah@lists.aishdas.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.aishdas.org/listinfo.cgi/mesorah-aishdas.org">http://lists.aishdas.org/listinfo.cgi/mesorah-aishdas.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>