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<div dir="ltr">Thank you. I had expected both to mention it, but did not find it.
<div dir="ltr">So again my question is whether any of you were taught about these when you studied in school? Did anyone mention them (at least the one in Toldot) to you?</div>
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<div class="null" dir="auto">On December 3, 2019 at 4:48:26 PM EST, Yisrael Dubitsky <yidubitsky@gmail.com> wrote:<br class="null">
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<div dir="ltr" class="null">No real answers to your question, but just to point out that Gesenius does mention it (no real discussion) at <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikisource.org_wiki_Page-253AGesenius-27-5FHebrew-5FGrammar-5F-281910-5FKautzsch-2DCowley-5Fedition-29.djvu_239&d=DwMFaQ&c=VTwaeXjOsAHot2hQQ0nozrBJwyviuCtydNuGwYGfYiI&r=e6XbAQdGwcl_5FMtQ-t1eA&m=55xaSvVNreaPTeDpQTRTrUu8gAQ6gYhn5xPVSS2AC4A&s=5-e2hUZ71rDRMlZb8Hl88xl5p9wEZUirWyS6atkeI9U&e=" target="_BLANK" class="null">https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page%3AGesenius'_Hebrew_Grammar_(1910_Kautzsch-Cowley_edition).djvu/239</a>
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<div class="null">and all 4 mentions are in BDB as well: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__mg.alhatorah.org_Dictionary_6213&d=DwMFaQ&c=VTwaeXjOsAHot2hQQ0nozrBJwyviuCtydNuGwYGfYiI&r=e6XbAQdGwcl_5FMtQ-t1eA&m=55xaSvVNreaPTeDpQTRTrUu8gAQ6gYhn5xPVSS2AC4A&s=mjqthhgMu43e3vzyyq5Sa6fi2BWZWPxoZF7boDLonPs&e=" target="_BLANK" class="null">https://mg.alhatorah.org/Dictionary/6213</a> --
although I dont understand the reason for the division into two parts</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="null">On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 8:23 PM Mandel, Seth via Mesorah <<a href="mailto:mesorah@lists.aishdas.org" class="null">mesorah@lists.aishdas.org</a>> wrote:<br class="null">
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In Gen. 26:29 which we read last Shabbos it says</div>
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<b class="null">כט</b> אִם-תַּעֲשֵׂה עִמָּנוּ רָעָה, כַּאֲשֶׁר לֹא נְגַעֲנוּךָ, וְכַאֲשֶׁר עָשִׂינוּ עִמְּךָ רַק-טוֹב, וַנְּשַׁלֵּחֲךָ בְּשָׁלוֹם<br class="null">
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As you would expect, the Masorah notes that unusual form תַּעֲשֵׂה, and marks it with a dalet every one of the 4 times it appears in the T'NaKh. The first is missing in the Aleppo Codex, but the other good mss. in the first case all have not only the Dalet,
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Although the form appears correctly in all the Chumashim and T'NaKhs that I have, I do not recall it being pointed out to me when I was young, and I know that some ba'ak koyes are not aware of it. This is just one example of the unusual forms noted in the
Masorah, but ignored by grammar books because they do not fit the "rules" of grammar. As you know, the Masorah is only interested in descriptive grammar, not prescriptive.</div>
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I never was taught about this form, and only discovered it years later. I cannot find it mentioned at all in Gesenius. BDB does have the form, but only in two of the occrurrences. Rosenstein/Even Shoshan lists all 4 places correctly.</div>
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Since my education was lacking in this regard, I would like to ask the denizens of Mesorah the following:</div>
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1) Were you taught about the existence of this form? If so, where: in school or from someone teaching you to lein?</div>
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2) Are you aware of grammars that mention this form?</div>
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