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<div style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt">I was looking at the Masorah for some of the t'hillim we say on Shabbos and Yontev, and noticed the Masoretic comment on the word ‘avdekha in T'hillim 19:14 (the same note is on some of
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ז' בליש' וכל אתנח' וסופ' פסוק' כות' ב''מ'א'<br>
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<div style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt">"The form ‘avdekha [woth the segol] appears 7 times in the T'NaKh besides where it appears with an etnahta or sof pasuq, where it always occurs except for one case."</div>
<div style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt">This is exactly what we were discussing: the pausal form occurs almost always with a etnahta or sof pasuq, but also appears in several cases with other trop.</div>
<div style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt">This was just to show that also the Ba'alei Masorah were sensitive to this phenomenon, and sometimes remark on it.<br>
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<div style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt">In all cases, there is a pause in the meaning.</div>
<div style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt">An example that we use Musaf on Yontev is the verse from Deut. 16:16:</div>
<div style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt">שָׁל֣וֹשׁ פְּעָמִ֣ים ׀ בַּשָּׁנָ֡ה יֵֽרָאֶ֨ה כָל־זְכֽוּרְךָ֜ אֶת־פְּנֵ֣י ׀ יְהוָ֣ה אֱלֹהֶ֗יךָ בַּמָּקוֹם֙ אֲשֶׁ֣ר יִבְחָ֔ר בְּחַ֧ג הַמַּצּ֛וֹת וּבְחַ֥ג הַשָּֽׁבֻע֖וֹת וּבְחַ֣ג הַסֻּכּ֑וֹת
וְלֹ֧א יֵֽרָאֶ֛ה אֶת־פְּנֵ֥י יְהוָ֖ה רֵיקָֽם׃<br>
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<div style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt">Note the form yivhar with a qomatz, the trop is a zaqef qatan. Yivhar with a qamatz would be normal with an etnahta or sof pasuq, but also occurs with other trop if there is a pause in
the reading.</div>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font style="font-size:11pt" face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Mesorah <mesorah-bounces@lists.aishdas.org> on behalf of Michael Poppers via Mesorah <mesorah@lists.aishdas.org><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, October 20, 2019 3:35 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Sholom Simon <sholom@aishdas.org><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Mesorah AishDas List <mesorah@lists.aishdas.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mesorah] amecha - amcha</font>
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Good Q, RSS. Two points, not mutually exclusive:</div>
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(1) Even if a the one&only <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__sites.google.com_site_torahreading_mafsiqim&d=DwMFaQ&c=VTwaeXjOsAHot2hQQ0nozrBJwyviuCtydNuGwYGfYiI&r=e6XbAQdGwcl_5FMtQ-t1eA&m=Q6GL-BDkQ9dKgKwf6SFxiADJiH7m30etPXi00VFl5us&s=tW9IjEUnhuw8sGkqpaKdOFO1R1BeVR0rBygD22hHe_w&e=">
B-level <i>mafsiq</i></a> in a <i>pasuq</i> (or its 1st or 2nd half, if there's an
<i>esnachta</i>) is a <i>zaqeif</i>, I'm not sure we'll always see a "am'cha"=>"amecha" type of change; but in this
<i>pasuq</i>, there is only one such <i>mafsiq</i> in the 1st half and more than one such
<i>mafsiq</i> in the 2nd half (and I imagine the chances of such a change go way down when there's more than one
<i>zaqeif</i>).</div>
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(2) Even though "v'am'cha" is the end of the first major phrase in the 2nd half of the
<i>pasuq</i> (just as "v'amecha" is the end of the first major phrase in the 1st half of the
<i>pasuq</i>), the <i>p'shat</i> of that 2nd half includes "mikol-ha'am..." to the extent that "v'am'cha" doesn't change.</div>
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Chag Sameach/Gut Yuntef!</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="x_gmail_attr">On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 1:47 PM Sholom Simon via Mesorah <<a href="mailto:mesorah@lists.aishdas.org">mesorah@lists.aishdas.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>Moadim L'simcha!</div>
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<div>In the first aliyah for the Shabbos Chol HaMoed reading (yesterday), Shemos 33:16, we see the word "v'amecha" and later in the pasuk "v'amcha". In both cases the word is the conclusion of a pashta-munach-zakef phrase. Why the difference?</div>
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<div>GChT!</div>
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<div>-- Sholom<br>
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