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<div dir="ltr">So you can expect lain to him that the sin vs. samekh is the same as writing nice with a c versus right with an igh </div>
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<div class="null" dir="auto">On October 20, 2019 at 2:41:55 PM EDT, Henry Topas <hanktopas@gmail.com> wrote:<br class="null">
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<div class="null">The congregant is a math professor at a Montreal university and often is perturbed by some perceived incongruities. On the positive side, he usually prepares very beautiful gematria discussions for us.</div>
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<div class="null">Thank you all once again</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="null">On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 2:38 PM Mandel, Seth <<a href="mailto:mandels@ou.org" class="null">mandels@ou.org</a>> wrote:<br class="null">
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Halvai that you can convince all your congregants that simchat Yomtov and the mitzva of loving fellow Jews are far more important than details.</div>
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<div id="gmail-m_8182235643661229614divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr" class="null"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000" style="font-size:11pt" class="null"><b class="null">From:</b> Mesorah <<a href="mailto:mesorah-bounces@lists.aishdas.org" class="null">mesorah-bounces@lists.aishdas.org</a>>
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<b class="null">Sent:</b> Sunday, October 20, 2019 2:35 PM<br class="null">
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<div dir="ltr" class="null">First, Yiyashar cochachem for the prompt responses.
<div class="null">Second: I will now have a bit of peace over yom tov from my congregant!</div>
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<div class="null">Chag Sameach,</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="null">On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 2:30 PM Sholom Simon <<a href="mailto:sholom90@gmail.com" class="null">sholom90@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class="null">
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<div class="null">And in Ha'aderes v'He'emuna, we have, at the place where a samech would be: siguy (with a samech) but segev (with a sin)</div>
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<div class="null">It seems spelling did change over time . . . e.g., the word Sota -- in Torah with a sin *Bamidbar 5:12, 5:29), in Talmud with a samech, which is why Rambam is insistent on using a sin, but (most?) everybody else used a samech.</div>
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<div class="null">But what I thought RHT was asking about was the *pattern* he saw, rather than simply a replacement of sin/samech.<br class="null">
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<div dir="ltr" class="null">On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 1:58 PM Akiva Miller via Mesorah <<a href="mailto:mesorah@lists.aishdas.org" class="null">mesorah@lists.aishdas.org</a>> wrote:<br class="null">
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<div dir="auto" class="null">Same thing in Kel Adon and lots of other places, like last week's Al Chet - Sikur ayin and Siach sifsoseinu. I once make a list of them, but I'm not home right now. If you want a project for yomtov afternoon, just grab a few machzorim
(don't forget kinos and selichos!) and go on a treasure hunt.
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<div dir="auto" class="null">WHY and HOW this happened is far beyond me. These authors seem to have been geniuses at fancy Hebrew grammar -- I can't accept that these are rudimentary spelling errors. Maybe the "correct" spelling changed over time (like the
yud that was added to David in Divrei Hayamim), but for such a great variety of words?</div>
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<div dir="auto" class="null">I'm confident that Rabbi Mandell will come along and enlighten us, but YomTov will be here soon, so I wanted to post this just in case.</div>
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<div class="null">One of my congregants has asked me why in the sequence of this morning's hoshanot, phrases in the position of samech have been replaced with phrases beginning with the letter sin in the last 4 of the 7 beginning paragraphs and again in many
of the later "Hoshana Rabba only" paragraphs?</div>
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<div class="null">Thank you and a Git Kvitel,</div>
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