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BTW, the nusakh of the Qaddish is probably based on Doniel 2:20: "may the name of God be blessed for ever and ever."</div>
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As noted, most Ashkenazi rabbonim did not know Doniel in the Aramaic, and so this posuq, which should have been mentioned by everyone, is missing in the sources most people see.<br>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font style="font-size:11pt" face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Mesorah <mesorah-bounces@lists.aishdas.org> on behalf of Mandel, Seth via Mesorah <mesorah@lists.aishdas.org><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 11, 2019 12:31 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Micha Berger <micha@aishdas.org>; mesorah@aishdas.org <mesorah@aishdas.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mesorah] Yehei shemeih rabb</font>
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<div dir="ltr">All people view the world through the things they have been taught.
<div dir="ltr">Most rabbis were not linguists and their comments reflect their understanding of things. Without understanding linguistics, rabbis got the idea that they could kav’yokhol “pasen” questions in grammar. It is not the AhS’s fault: rabbis have been
doing it for several hundred years. </div>
<div dir="ltr">To “pasken” that one uses a form in a specific nusakh rests on a misconception. It requires intensive research into the origins of nuskh’os. That required spending months or longer in libraries with old mss., most of which were far from the centers
of Jewish population centers. The Vilner Gaon at least made the effort. </div>
<div dir="ltr">But the Vilner Gaon’s decisión that one should use a tzere in the first two words of qaddish was not based on any old mss. There are none that had a tzere. It was bSed partially on the Qabbolo of the Ari which attributed various mystical meanings
for many vowels and partially on the fact that the T’NaKh did NOT use the normal vowels in v’hitgaddilti v’hitqaddishti. That was his decision, but no old mss. supoported it (the first use of such vowels was by the Ari, which is not what is called an “old
mss.”</div>
<div dir="ltr">The AhS based himself on the Gaon; there was no other source. </div>
<div dir="ltr">Sh’mey rabbo means “the Heavens if the Great One.” Although it has a meaning, it is clearly not te original meaning, which has Hebrew parallels from the time of Chazal “May His Great Name be exalted.” Again, all old mss. have a mappiq. The
AhS was led astray by his own theories about qaddish should mean. </div>
<div dir="ltr">He is not the first nor the last rabbi who thinks they should change a nussakh based on their own theories. </div>
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<div class="x_null" dir="auto">On September 10, 2019 at 9:52:25 PM EDT, Micha Berger via Mesorah <mesorah@lists.aishdas.org> wrote:<br class="x_null">
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<p class="x_null" style="margin:0px"><span class="x_null" style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif; color:windowtext">The AhS makes three grammatical comments about Qaddish:<br class="x_null">
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<p class="x_null" style="margin:0px"><span class="x_null" style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif; color:windowtext">3- Shemeih does not get a mapiq hei</span></p>
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<p class="x_null" style="margin:0px"><span class="x_null" style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif; color:windowtext">I don’t understanding #3.</span></p>
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