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<div dir="ltr">Not exactly the Litvisher cheylom, which was a diphthong. And that is only from the Sha’abi areas in the south and west.
<div dir="ltr">Most Teimanim use a cholam which is mid-central vowel, which does not sound like any vowel used in English. The closest is final vowel sound in “vigor” as pronounced in Cambridge and Boston when I grew up. You can here it in recordings of JFK.
Not it is not identical, only closer than any other sound used in English. The British pronunciation is a sound called shwa, as in the American pronunciation of the final vowel in sofa, but that is less like the Teimani cholam. </div>
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: Shamim are those who dropped their old nusach in favor of nusach<br class="null">
: Sefarad. I don't see why this would have affected their accent.<br class="null">
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: On a practical level, I've never been to a Baladi shul, but the<br class="null">
: accent I've heard in Shami shuls (from those who didn't use the<br class="null">
: modern Israeli one) is identical to what you've described. (With a<br class="null">
: Litvisher cheylom.)<br class="null">
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> I believe its the south, the cholam is more like a tzeireh, that is,<br class="null">
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