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<div dir="ltr">How very clever of you to see the issue. But I am now in Mexico without my books and need to make sure that what I write is not distorting the evidence.
<div dir="ltr">The other issue that must be discussed with this in not lele, but’erev. Arvei Shabbatot? Or Erev Shabbat?</div>
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<div class="null"><b class="null">ד,ד</b> מקום שנהגו לאכול צלי בלילי פסחים, אוכלים; מקום שנהגו שלא לאכול, אינן אוכלין. מקום שנהגו להדליק את הנר בלילי יום הכיפורים, מדליקין; מקום שנהגו שלא להדליק, אינן מדליקין. מדליקין בבתי כנסייות, ובבתי מדרשות, ובמבואות
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<div dir="ltr" class="null">Layla is never feminine. It is from a form like *laylay, and the qomatz he at the end is unstressed, not a feminine ending. That is also the basis of the form Lele, as in lele p’sahim; it is not the s’mikgut of the plural, which
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<div nop="gmail-m_1996261860810152714x_null" dir="auto" class="null">On April 14, 2019 at 11:10:34 AM EDT, Michael Poppers via Mesorah <<a href="mailto:mesorah@lists.aishdas.org" class="null">mesorah@lists.aishdas.org</a>> wrote:<br nop="gmail-m_1996261860810152714x_null" class="null">
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...and I'm sure RSM (to whom I wish a r'fua shleima b'qarov!) is familiar w/ at least two of them: "hagadol" is a reference to (a) the end of the haftara; and (b) grownups (IINM, RAM quoted the S'fas Emes on this in this past week's JEC [of Elizabeth, NJ] parasha
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> <span nop="gmail-m_1996261860810152714x_null" style="color:rgb(0,0,128); font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif" class="null">the truth is that Shabbat can be of either gender</span> <</div>
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As opposed to, say, "layla", yet we say "Mah nishtana halayla hazeh...", and I don't think the phrase was created by someone ignorant in grammar.</div>
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Chag Pesach Kasher v'Sameach!</div>
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<div dir="ltr" nop="gmail-m_1996261860810152714x_null" class="null">On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 3:55 PM Ira L. Jacobson via Mesorah <<a href="mailto:mesorah@lists.aishdas.org" nop="gmail-m_1996261860810152714x_null gmail-m_1996261860810152714OWAAutoLink" id="gmail-m_1996261860810152714LPlnk317063" class="null">mesorah@lists.aishdas.org</a>>
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<div nop="gmail-m_1996261860810152714x_null" class="null"><font nop="gmail-m_1996261860810152714x_null" color="#000080" class="null"><i nop="gmail-m_1996261860810152714x_null" class="null">At 18:02 12-04-19 +0000, Mandel, Seth via Mesorah stated the following:<br nop="gmail-m_1996261860810152714x_null" class="null">
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As you all know, that is not what the Hebrew means The great Shabbos would be haShabbos haG'dolah.</div>
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