<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"></div><div dir="ltr">Constructed. </div><div dir="ltr"><br>On Apr 16, 2019, at 5:17 PM, rabbirichwolpoe via Mesorah <<a href="mailto:mesorah@lists.aishdas.org">mesorah@lists.aishdas.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"><div><br></div><div>It seems to me to make more sense to say that Kimchi, rather than "inventing" anything, systematized and made consistent what existed before him."</div><div><br></div><div>Invent?</div><div>or</div><div>Discover?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div id="composer_signature"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">RRW</div><div><br></div><div style="font-size:100%;color:#000000"><div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Simon Montagu via Mesorah <<a href="mailto:mesorah@lists.aishdas.org">mesorah@lists.aishdas.org</a>> </div><div>Date: 4/16/19 3:29 PM (GMT-05:00) </div><div>To: David and Esther Bannett <<a href="mailto:dbnet@zahav.net.il">dbnet@zahav.net.il</a>> </div><div>Cc: mesorah <<a href="mailto:mesorah@lists.aishdas.org">mesorah@lists.aishdas.org</a>> </div><div>Subject: Re: [Mesorah] Kimchi's rules </div><div><br></div></div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 9:44 PM David and Esther Bannett via Mesorah <<a href="mailto:mesorah@lists.aishdas.org">mesorah@lists.aishdas.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<font size="+1">Methinks the time has come to clear up the
discussion on Mosaret vs. Kimchi.<br>
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All ba'alei mesorah before the Kimichis mention that there are
seven vowels in Hebrew.<br>
R' Yosef Kimchi, the father of, Radak made a serious change. He
made ten vowels instead of seven. <br>
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He did this by inventing five pairs of long and short vowels.
kamatz and patach, tzeireh and segol, shuruk and kubutz, chirik
and chirik rachav (with yud), cholom, and kamatz katan.</font></div></blockquote><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><font size="+1">
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All very logical, but non-existent before Kimchi. From these
pairs, new rules on d'geshim and sh'vaim appeared. After a long
vowel the following letter has no dagesh and the following sh'va
is na'. After a short vowel, the following letter has a dagesh
and the following sh'va is nach.<br>
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As these inventions were accepted, the rules if dikduk became
different from the masoretic rules.<br></font></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Which of these vowels did not exist before Kimchi? Surely they are all there in the Masoretic text. It seems to me to make more sense to say that Kimchi, rather than "inventing" anything, systematized and made consistent what existed before him.<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><font size="+1">
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Pesach kasher v'sameach<br>
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David Bannett<br>
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