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<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">I meant "in the first person plural, referring to "our chevra..."<br>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font style="font-size:11pt" face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Mesorah <mesorah-bounces@lists.aishdas.org> on behalf of Mandel, Seth via Mesorah <mesorah@lists.aishdas.org><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 6, 2018 8:32 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Yitzchak M. Gottlieb; mesorah@aishdas.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mesorah] Another term</font>
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<p style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">very true.</p>
<p style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">I was referring to the term in the second person meaning "our chevra" as opposed to other groups. I believe that that is a neologism coined by the Ba'al haTanya.<br>
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<div id="x_divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font style="font-size:11pt" face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Yitzchak M. Gottlieb <zukigottlieb@gmail.com><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 5, 2018 7:31 PM<br>
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<div class="x_PlainText">On Jun 5, 2018, at 15:49, Mandel, Seth via Mesorah <mesorah@lists.aishdas.org> wrote:<br>
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> Another term that does not go back a long time is "àð'ù/àðùé ùìåîðå". I have seen the term first used by the Alter Rebbe of Chabad in some of his letters. If anyone knows of earlier sources, I would appreciate hearing about them.<br>
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At the risk of stating the obvious (a hobby of mine :): While I don’t know of a source for the third person, the second person appears a number of times in úðØê as in òåáãéä à× æ, and the first person singular in úäéìéí îØà. It seems a natural extension.<br>
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