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<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">You can call "chasidus" old , but I do not. And from the evidence, it did not start with the first generation, when some chasidim were still dancing and turning somersaults with "hislahavus" during davening (yes, historical
record, but most people never heard of this either).</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Shockling was unheard of before chasidus, and it originated in Eastern Europe.</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Which is why...</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">it has a Yiddish, not a Hebrew name,, not like "hislahavus." Customs that were new in Europe were given names in Hebrew; the old Jewish customs have Hebrew or Aramaic names. Like Challah or Bris.<br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 6, 2018 2:44 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mandel, Seth; micha@aishdas.org<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mesorah] "P'nimiyus"</font>
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<div><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:10pt; color:#000000; background-color:#ffffff"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:10pt; color:#000000; background-color:#ffffff">In a message dated 6/6/2018 2:32:17
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<p style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">No. Swaying existed during davening, but not shockeling.</p>
<p style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">The posuq, as you can see, does not define what action is being taken. You must be able to realize that it is chasidim who use this posuq as a "proof," but the posuq does not mean that at all. Swaying would also meet
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<div><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:10pt; color:#000000; background-color:#ffffff">I am not sure what is the difference between swaying and shuckeling, except perhaps the speed and extent of forward motion.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:10pt; color:#000000; background-color:#ffffff">Yes (sigh) I realize that Dovid Hamelech did not actually have shuckeling in mind when he wrote Tehillim, and probably did not have any movement
in mind at all. But the way people use this pasuk suggests shuckeling is an old thing. Swaying, if you prefer.</span></div>
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