<div dir="rtl"><div dir="ltr">R' Seth,</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">In your example</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">עֵינֵי-כֹל אֵלֶיךָ יְשַׂבֵּרוּ, וְאַתָּה נוֹתֵן-לָהֶם אֶת-אָכְלָם בְּעִתּוֹ.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">the g'aya on EInei-CHOL is understandable as a sort of Nasog Achor, but why is it NOtein-laHEM rather than noTEIN-laHEM? Not only do the words not have adjacent stressed syllables, but long closed syllables such as TEIN almost invariably have a ta'am or at least a g'aya.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">There was a similar strange g'aya on words joined by a maqaf in last week's parsha: vinYAmin-aKHIV (Gen 45:14) rather than vinyaMIN-aKHIV (although MIN is not a long closed syllable).</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Might the explanation be that when two words are joined by a maqaf, the first one loses its stress as you wrote, and then it is able to receive a g'aya if the new large word has a suitable syllable (in these cases a g'aya qala on the open syllable) even if the result is totally foreign to the word when not joined by a maqaf?</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Danny Levy</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">2017-12-27 0:43 GMT+02:00 Mandel, Seth via Mesorah <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mesorah@lists.aishdas.org" target="_blank">mesorah@lists.aishdas.org</a>></span>:</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;border-right:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;padding-right:1ex">
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<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px">It still seems to me that the Rambam's description of what Chazal mean is the most authenic, and it is certainly the oldest.</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px">As all the nos'ei kelim noted, the Ra'avd's comment on the Rambam, although equally old, can teach us nothing. The Ra'avad made his comment on the background of his pronunciation. Although it is easy for a linguist to
see what the Ra'avad's pronunciation of Hebrew must have been like, it is nothing like any of the pronunciations we have today.<br>
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<div dir="rtl">כשאמרו רז"ל שצריך לחתן ריוח בין הדבקים לא אמרו להפסיק שלא לתת מקף בין שני הלמדין כאשר הוא, שאם יקרא אותו בלי מקף יהיה נקוד בחולם, וזה לא אמרו רז"ל להחליף התנועות אשר נתנו למשה מסיני *) אלא אף על פי שיקראם במקף יתן ריוח והבדל ביניהם שידמה
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<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px">The G'moro seems to be pretty clear when it says "revach bein had'vekim." The Rambam brings it the same way:<br>
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<div align="right"><b>ב,ט</b> כיצד מדקדק,ייזהר שלא ירפה החזק ולא יחזק הרפה ולא יניד הנח ולא יניח הנד. לפיכך צריך ליתן ריוח בין כל שתי אותות הדומות שאחת מהן סוף תיבה והאחרת תחילת תיבה הסמוכה לה, כגון "בכל לבבך" קורא "בכל" ושוהה וחוזר וקורא "לבבך", וכן "ואבדתם
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If you need something between the d'veqim, letters that "stick" together, one cannot pronounce them as one doubled letter.
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a place to be more careful. But the Masorah, in discussing two identical letters one after another in the word, implies that in some cases, one is "gol'lam yachad."<br>
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: When words are connected with a maqqaf, the first word loses its stress<br>
: and its vowel may b changed, because it is now considered part of a<br>
: larger word. In some cases, there is a secondary stress on the first word;<br>
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Tangent, but very much halakhah lemaaseh:<br>
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And in Shema, how many /l/ sounds do you make in "al-levavekha"?<br>
Do you say both lameds with a pause mid-teivah (I prefer that to<br>
modifying the meaning of the word "word"), or pronounce it like<br>
a lamed-degushah?<br>
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