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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font style="font-size:11pt" face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Micha Berger <micha@aishdas.org><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 22, 2017 10:12 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mandel, Seth; mesorah@aishdas.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Michael Poppers; David and Esther Bannett<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mesorah] mis-accentuation</font>
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<div class="PlainText">On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 02:17:59PM +0000, Mandel, Seth wrote:<br>
: On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 3:46 PM, Mandel, Seth via Mesorah wrote:<br>
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:> Regarding the discussion about d'hiq, I think that I warned people<br>
:> that those seeking certainly should drop this topic like a hot potato.<br>
:> But for those stubborn people who are still interested, I am attaching<br>
:> a couple of pages from Mahberet haTijaan, which is the Hebrew version of<br>
:> an Arabic treatise on Hebrew and the Masorah, which is an ancient work,<br>
:> probably going back to the 12th Century. It contains quotations from<br>
:> ספר דקודי הטעמים, which Ben Asher himself wrote, and various things from<br>
:> the time of the Geonim.<br>
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:> I copied 3 pages, the third is underneath the first. I have underlined<br>
:> the relevant pasages. The author is talking about when B'GaD K'PaT have<br>
:> a dagesh and when they are rafe, and says that with a m'sharet trop they<br>
:> are rafe after a vowel, except for :Ogerah, P'siq, D'hiq, Ate Merahiq<br>
:> and two similar letters.<br>
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:> I will comment some more later, b'n. But this is meant to show that<br>
:> even hundreds of years ago they knew things that were going on, and had<br>
:> different names for them.<br>
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: R. Micha, I am attaching it.. I know that the software for Mesorah<br>
: and the other lists will strip off attachments, but I don't know how<br>
: to make it available to everyone.<br>
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That's only the text digests, which is the norm for Avodah and Areivim.<br>
Everyone here is in single-email mode, since we rarely get the traffic<br>
that would warrant defaulting to digests.<br>
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So, people should have gotten the attachment. I did. I do not know<br>
why Michael did not.<br>
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That said, given what you wrote, they may not have checked. So, I saved<br>
it in Avodah's "faxes" folder (the name made sense in 1998!) at<br>
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:-)BBii!<br>
-Micha<br>
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