<html><div>anyone have a tune for shir hamaalos before bircas hamazon with some/any/most of the words can be pronounced correctly?<br><br>Gershon<br>gershon.dubin@juno.com<br><br>---------- Original Message ----------<br>From: Sholom Simon via Mesorah <mesorah@lists.aishdas.org><br>To: Art Werschulz <agw@comcast.net>,mesorah@lists.aishdas.org<br>Subject: Re: [Mesorah] mis-accentuation (was: 'Tis Chanukka)<br>Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 09:25:03 -0500<br><br>"mis-accentuation" -- what an awesome word! Thanks!<br><br>> > > many places where people mispronounce ... a couple of places <br>> almost everyone makes a mistake <<br>> > C'mon, R'Seth, don't hold back -- tell us how you really feel :).<br>><br>>Some (much?) of this can be blamed on the tunes we Ashqenazim use <br>>(at least the ones I know). Take the tunes for Hallel, for instance.<br><br>And the tunes of which you speak, presumably, were written by <br>Ashqenazim. Compare, e.g., to the accenting on the words in the <br>popular tune for D'ror Yikra.<br><br>More to your point: certainly, the tunes will be a strong force to <br>perpetuate the mis-accentuation.<br><br>But a lot of is simply that one learns pronunciation, for the most <br>part, by what one hears (mimeticsm). I remember a long time ago when <br>someone when I first learned that I pronounced everything wrong -- <br>and he pointed me to standard siddurim, which have an accent mark on <br>every word where the accent is _not_ on the last syllable (do all of <br>them have it? My Artscroll and my Chabad siddurim have it). I was <br>blown away. There it is, in black and white for everybody to see <br>where the accent should be, and almost everybody of Ashkenaniz <br>persuasion ignores it (except some of those who have spend some <br>formative years growing up in Israel).<br><br>In any event, some of these tunes have *long lasting* <br>power. (Everybody knows the tune for Sh'ma -- written by a Austrian <br>Reform cantor (Sulzer) in the mid-1800's (who, btw, I think was <br>fairly machmir in making sure his music fit the accents!)). But I <br>digress . . .<br><br>-- Sholom<br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Mesorah mailing list<br>Mesorah@lists.aishdas.org<br>http://lists.aishdas.org/listinfo.cgi/mesorah-aishdas.org</p></html>
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