<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,255)">R'Micha wrote:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,255)">> <span style="font-size:12.8px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">Hebrew can only have a closed syllable at the end of a word or with a</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,255)"><span style="font-size:12.8px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">sheva nach. (Or in the case of a khaf peshutah, both.)</span> <</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,255)">...or due to a dageish [chazaq] in the 2..Nth syllable's initial consonant. Think of the syllable's end as a sh'va nach, but that sh'va need not be visible.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 10:43 AM, Micha Berger via Mesorah <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mesorah@lists.aishdas.org" target="_blank">mesorah@lists.aishdas.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Sun, Dec 03, 2017 at 09:42:25AM -0500, Akiva Miller via Mesorah wrote:<br>
: I know that there is a general rule that if the first letter of a word has<br>
<span class="">: a sh'va, then it is a sh'va na. I also know that various forms of the word<br>
: "two" are exceptions to this rule, as the leading shin gets sh'va nach.<br>
<br>
</span>I know you asked about the exception of "shtei", but I wanted to try to<br>
share an epiphany.<br>
<br>
A sheva nach means that the letter closes a syllable. And so these rules<br>
of sheva's are also viewable as rules of open (vowel-ending) vs closed<br>
(consonant ending) syllables. "Syllabification", if I have the term<br>
correctly.<br>
<br>
Hebrew can only have a closed syllable at the end of a word or with a<br>
sheva nach. (Or in the case of a khaf peshutah, both.)<br>
<br>
Eg, we would rephrase the above rule as being but a subset of a more<br>
general statement: Hebrew has no vowel-less syllables. So, if a first<br>
letter has a sheva, it would perforce be given a vowel sound.<br>
<br>
Shtei is a rarity, in that it is one syllable opening with a two-consonant<br>
cluster.<br>
<br>
: I realize that someone is going to respond along the lines of "There aren't<br>
<span class="">: any rules; it's just how people talk", but still, I'd like to know what<br>
: patterns you know of.<br>
<br>
</span>If there weren't any rules, would the Mesoretic notes list their exceptions?<br>
<br>
Tir'u baTov!<br>
-Micha<br>
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