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<p>I already noted in my first post that before the 1800's, brass was the only word used in English for all three, and specifically said that that included Shakesperian English.<br>
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<div class="PlainText">On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 06:28:51PM +0000, Mandel, Seth wrote:<br>
: Regarding my post of a couple of days ago about what exactly n'hoshet<br>
means, I have heard nothing that would call my conclusion into question.<br>
So: given that before 1750 no one could possibly have translated<br>
nechoshet as anything other than "brass" in English, the question is<br>
when and where it was changed?<br>
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Wikipedia has an unsourced claim that in Shakespearean English, "brass"<br>
included any bronze alloy or copper.<br>
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But this would make more sense of Henry V, act III, scene 1, where<br>
King Henry talks of "the brass cannon". Older cannons were often made<br>
of Bronze. (Then case iron, and finally steel.)<br>
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(from the Tower of London) discusses bronze cannons. (And Henry V,<br>
which is why Google turned it up for me.)<br>
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It may be that the KJV set a norm that wasn't widely questioned even as<br>
the English changed. There is even less interest than in Eve's apple<br>
or whether what is prohibited is murder or killing (or in King James'<br>
English: killing or slaying).<br>
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Tir'u baTov!<br>
-Micha<br>
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