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<p>But that is precisely the point. Since the word can means a bunch of things, if Chazal wanted to tell us that it meant only one specific thing, the would use a modifןer. As in P'sahim 3:</p>
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<p>Which would show that there are other kinds of vinegar and beer (which indeed we know about) and kutach (which I do not think we know of any other kind).<br>
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<p>And as Latin and old English did in specifying copper, which meant the metal from Cyprus.</p>
<p>And so there is no proof that n'hoshet in the T'N'aKh meant any one of the things covered by the term. QED.<br>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000" face="Calibri, sans-serif"><b>From:</b> Mesorah <mesorah-bounces@lists.aishdas.org> on behalf of Akiva Miller via Mesorah <mesorah@lists.aishdas.org><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 22, 2017 1:55 PM<br>
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<div dir="auto">The fact that there's only one word is not significant. Don't assign so much importance to the linguistics. What *IS* significant is whether Chazal distinguished between them.
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<div dir="auto">Compare: In Mishnaic Hebrew, "yarok" was used for both green and yellow, but that doesn't mean that they couldn't tell them apart from each other. Rather, in various contexts, they specify what sort of yarok is intended. It seems to me that
it is the lack of specification that tells us that brass / bronze / copper were equally valid, not the mere fact that there was only one word for all three.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 22, 2017 1:08 PM, "Mandel, Seth" <<a href="mailto:mandels@ou.org">mandels@ou.org</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution">
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<p>Which does appear to be the halokho regarding what the Mizbeach in the BhM must be built out of. It appears to me that it makes no difference to the Halokho whether it is limestone, granite, or even sandstone, as long as it is called "stone." I would say
it cannot be marble, because there is a separate word in Hebrew for that, and indeed is mentioned that some of the tables were made out of marble.</p>
<p>Of course, the artisans that will build the BhM will presumably want better stone, not sandstone.<br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 22, 2017 12:36 PM<br>
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<div class="m_4967897787533425553PlainText">On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 02:20:50PM +0000, Mandel, Seth via Mesorah wrote:<br>
: However, the Mishkan was a one-time mitzva and is not part of the 613 mitzvos. The Rambam is referring to the halokho l'doros about the BhM, part of the 613, and indeed in the BhM there is nothing special about n'hoshet, it is just another metal.<br>
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Or in the case of the mizbeiach, just another thing you pull out of the<br>
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