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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Mesorah [mailto:mesorah-bounces@lists.aishdas.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Poppers via Mesorah<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 03, 2014 9:52 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> mesorah@aishdas.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Mesorah] Fwd: fourth section of details of the Masorah<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Goudy Old Style","serif";color:#500050">One of the most stable and characteristic uses of the ge‘aya is what YHB’Y called </span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-family:"David","sans-serif";color:#500050">הכבדה </span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#500050"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span> </span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-family:"David","sans-serif";color:#500050">הגעיה</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#500050"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>. </span><span style="font-family:"Goudy Old Style","serif";color:#500050"> This
 appears next to the vowel in a closed syllable, if that syllable is followed by another syllable, then a sh’wa na‘, then the stressed syllable.  For example, </span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#500050">וְהִֽתְפַּלְל֞וּ </span><span style="font-family:"Goudy Old Style","serif";color:#500050">in
 1 Kings 8:35.  The ge‘aya is next to the hiriq; the syllable is closed, as shown by the peh with a dagesh qal beginning the next syllable, which is followed by a sh’wa na‘, which is followed by the stressed syllable.</span><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:blue"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Goudy Old Style","serif";color:#500050">What is very interesting is what qualifies as a sh’wa na‘ here.  A sh’wa at the beginning of the word, of course, as in </span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#500050">תִֽמְנֶֽה־לְךָ֣ ׀
 חַ֡יִל </span><span style="font-family:"Goudy Old Style","serif";color:#500050">in 1 Kings 20:25.  The second of two sh’was, as in </span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#500050">וַֽיִּלְכְּדֻ֑הָ</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-family:"Goudy Old Style","serif";color:#500050"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>,
 Numbers 32:39.  The sh’wa under a letter with a dagesh hazaq, as in </span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#500050">וַֽיְשַׁלְּחֵ֛הוּ</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-family:"Goudy Old Style","serif";color:#500050"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>,
 Genesis 3:23.  A hataf vowel under a guttural, as in in the example from Deuteronomy 29:17 above.  The first of two identical letters, as in the example from 2 Kings above.</span><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:blue"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:blue">> ....</span><span style="font-family:"Goudy Old Style","serif";color:#500050">This is just one of the signs that something is wrong with the Bahur’s rules.  In
 the next section, we will find more.</span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:blue"> <</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:blue">IIUC re the
<a href="http://www.mechon-mamre.org/c/ct/c09a08.htm" target="_blank">I Kings 8</a>:35 example, the
<i>shva</i> under the <i>lamed</i> is <i>na'</i> according to ben Asher because he graced the
<i>chiriq</i> with a <i>ga'ya</i>, not because that <i>shva</i> is under the first of two identical consonants, and a
<i>shva</i> is never <i>na'</i> just because it's under the first of two identical consonants -- is that correct?  Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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