<div dir="ltr">The shva is na there because it is under the first of two identical comments _and_ is preceded by a ga'aya. That is, for bA, the shva under the first of two identical consonants _is_ indeed na under certain circumstance, namely, if the letter before it has a ga'aya (or secondary ta'am) or is a long vowel (which is not the same as a t'nua gedola). A long vowel for these purposes is a cholam, and, according to some sources, a tzeirei as well.<div>
Jeremy</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 9:52 PM, Michael Poppers via Mesorah <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mesorah@lists.aishdas.org" target="_blank">mesorah@lists.aishdas.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,255)">> ....<span style="font-size:small;color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:'Goudy Old Style',serif"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,255);display:inline">
</div>One of the most stable and characteristic uses of the ge‘aya is what YHB’Y called </span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:David,sans-serif">הכבדה </span><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:small;color:rgb(80,0,80)"></span><span dir="LTR" style="font-family:arial;font-size:small;color:rgb(80,0,80)"></span><span lang="HE" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:David,sans-serif"><span dir="LTR"></span> <span dir="RTL">הגעיה</span></span><span dir="LTR" style="font-family:arial;font-size:small;color:rgb(80,0,80)"></span><span style="font-size:small;color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:David,sans-serif"><span dir="LTR"></span>. </span><span style="font-size:small;color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:'Goudy Old Style',serif"> This appears next to the vowel in a closed syllable, if that syllable is followed by another syllable, then a sh’wa na‘, then the stressed syllable. For example, </span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:Arial,sans-serif">וְהִֽתְפַּלְל֞וּ </span><span style="font-size:small;color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:'Goudy Old Style',serif">in 1 Kings 8:35. The ge‘aya is next to the hiriq; the syllable is closed, as shown by the peh with a dagesh qal beginning the next syllable, which is followed by a sh’wa na‘, which is followed by the stressed syllable.</span></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,255)">> ....<span style="font-size:small;color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:'Goudy Old Style',serif"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,255);display:inline">
</div>What is very interesting is what qualifies as a sh’wa na‘ here. A sh’wa at the beginning of the word, of course, as in </span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:Arial,sans-serif">תִֽמְנֶֽה־לְךָ֣ ׀ חַ֡יִל </span><span style="font-size:small;color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:'Goudy Old Style',serif">in 1 Kings 20:25. The second of two sh’was, as in </span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:Arial,sans-serif">וַֽיִּלְכְּדֻ֑הָ</span><span dir="LTR" style="font-family:arial;font-size:small;color:rgb(80,0,80)"></span><span style="font-size:small;color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:'Goudy Old Style',serif"><span dir="LTR"></span>, Numbers 32:39. The sh’wa under a letter with a dagesh hazaq, as in </span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:Arial,sans-serif">וַֽיְשַׁלְּחֵ֛הוּ</span><span dir="LTR" style="font-family:arial;font-size:small;color:rgb(80,0,80)"></span><span style="font-size:small;color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:'Goudy Old Style',serif"><span dir="LTR"></span>, Genesis 3:23. A hataf vowel under a guttural, as in in the example from Deuteronomy 29:17 above. The first of two identical letters, as in the example from 2 Kings above.</span></div>
<div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif" style="color:rgb(0,0,255);font-size:large">> ....</font><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:small;font-family:'Goudy Old Style',serif">This is just one of the signs that something is wrong with the Bahur’s rules. In the next section, we will find more.</span><font face="verdana, sans-serif" size="4" color="#0000ff"> <</font></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,255)">IIUC re the <a href="http://www.mechon-mamre.org/c/ct/c09a08.htm" target="_blank">I Kings 8</a>:35 example, the <i>shva</i> under the <i>lamed</i> is <i>na'</i> according to ben Asher because he graced the <i>chiriq</i> with a <i>ga'ya</i>, not because that <i>shva</i> is under the first of two identical consonants, and a <i>shva</i> is never <i>na'</i> just because it's under the first of two identical consonants -- is that correct? Thanks.</div>
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<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr">Jeremy R. Simon, MD, PhD, FACEP<br>Associate Professor of Medicine at CUMC (Emergency Medicine)<br>Scholar-in-Residence, Center for Bioethics<br>
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