<html><head></head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><div>On Apr 2, 2014, at 18:14, "Kenneth Miller" <<a href="mailto:kennethgmiller@juno.com">kennethgmiller@juno.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>Devarim 26:5, "Vayhi sham l'goy gadol atzum v'rav"</span><br><span></span><br><span>What's the best way to parse the "gadol"? Is it closer to goy or to atzum? I do see "goy gadol" with mercha-tipcha, which I usually understand to be a joined phrase, but it's always good to check.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Here's why I ask: The Hagada has separate paragraphs for perushim on "goy", "atzum", and "rav", but not for "gadol". In my experience, it is lumped together with "atzum", but that's not necessarily so.</span></div></blockquote><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><br></span></div></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">I would think that פשט would group גדול with גוי and עצום with רב. Scriptural exegesis (and jokes referring to the knowledge of some members of the rabbinate) would not be so restricted.<br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469);"><br></span></div><div><div style="text-align: right;direction: rtl; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469);">חג שמח,</span></div><div style="text-align: left;direction: ltr; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469);">Zuki</span></div><div style="text-align: left;direction: ltr; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469);"><br></span></div>-- <div>Yitzchak M. Gottlieb</div><div><a href="mailto:zuki@CS.Princeton.EDU">zuki@CS.Princeton.EDU</a><br><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><br></span></div></div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font><span></span><br><span>"An Exalted Evening" (by Rabbi Menachem Genack, based on the teachings of RYB Soloveitchik) pg 67 fills three whole paragraphs, explicitly on the phrase "goy gadol". It's very nice, and I recommend it to others, but before I say it over at my Seder, I wanted to double-check how it holds up to the trop.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Thanks!</span><br><span>Akiva Miller</span><br><span>____________________________________________________________</span><br><span>Fast-Growing Industry</span><br><span>A New Player In The Booming Bottled Water Market.</span><br><span><a href="http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/533c53bb1bc6653ba5f92st04vuc">http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/533c53bb1bc6653ba5f92st04vuc</a></span><br><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>Mesorah mailing list</span><br><span><a href="mailto:Mesorah@lists.aishdas.org">Mesorah@lists.aishdas.org</a></span><br><span><a href="http://lists.aishdas.org/listinfo.cgi/mesorah-aishdas.org">http://lists.aishdas.org/listinfo.cgi/mesorah-aishdas.org</a></span><br></div></blockquote></body></html>