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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I truly know nothing about these matters but just in case itis relevant<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>the posuk Vayeira 18 25<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Chalila lecha me'asos kadovor hazeh.....chalila lach hashofet kol haaretz...<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>lecha and lach in the same pasuk - both referring to Hashem<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> mesorah-bounces@lists.aishdas.org [mailto:mesorah-bounces@lists.aishdas.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>T613K@aol.com<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 22, 2012 4:00 AM<br><b>To:</b> mesorah@aishdas.org<br><b>Cc:</b> rabbi.rich.wolpoe@gmail.com<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mesorah] She'ata / Sha'ata<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>In a message dated 2/21/2012, <a href="mailto:rabbirichwolpoe@gmail.com">rabbirichwolpoe@gmail.com</a> writes:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 3.0pt;margin-left:3.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Questions:<br><br>1. How do we explain<br><br>Ul'cha No'eh L'hodos<br>Ki v'cha Botochnu<br><br>Vs.<br><br>Umee domeh Lach<br>Modeem anachnu Lach<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>>>>>><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>I'm really barely qualified to read, let alone to respond, to such an august language list but I will say that my impression is that "lach" (when addressing a male or specifically when addressing Hashem) is influenced by Aramaic, and that in fact a lot of Aramaic has crept into Hebrew, just as Hebrew and Yiddish have crept into our frum English. I'm saying this tentatively, more as a question to the list than as an answer to your question.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>I'm trying to remember whether we find this in Tehillim too -- which would predate Aramaic influence from post-exilic times -- although even back then Hebrew does seem to have been somewhat influenced by surrounding Semitic languages. Maybe others here recall whether we find this in Tehillim or elsewhere in Tanach, or do we find it only in later Rabbinic texts like the siddur?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'><br><strong><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>--Toby Katz</span></strong><b><br><strong><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>=============</span></strong></b><br>Romney -- good values, good family, good hair<br><br><br>------------------------------------------------------------------- </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 3.0pt;margin-left:3.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><br><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div></div></body></html>