<html><div>The magid shiur didn't give exceptions; I was soliciting them from the learned group. </div><div> </div><div>Some of the heh's that you mention are not heh hayedia?<br><br>A most interesting observation regarding the yud, indeed.</div><div><br>Gershon<br>gershon.dubin@juno.com<br><br>---------- Original Message ----------<br>From: D&E-H Bannett <dbnet@zahav.net.il><br>To: mesorah@lists.aishdas.org<br>Subject: Re: [Mesorah] Heh Hayedia<br>Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 14:20:56 +0200<br><br>I don't believe that there is an 'ayyin with a dagesh in the <br>Torah or Tanakh. For that reason, the Hei hayedia before an <br>'ayyin normally takes a kamatz with the 'ayyin having a <br>chataf patach.<br><br>However there are exceptions to which the maggid shiur might <br>have been referring:<br><br>There are words where the hei has a patach: ha'avirenu, <br>ha'avot (ayyin bet vav tet), ha'anek.<br><br>There are also words with a sh'va nach under the 'ayyin: <br>ha-'tiru, ha-'lem.<br><br><br><br>While on the subject, I thought about the hei hayedia before <br>yud with sh'va such as hayladim, hayda'tem, hayvusi, and, in <br>these weeks' parashot, hay-or . I remember, that in the <br>chumash, yud w/ sh'va after hei hayedia never has a dagesh. <br>There are some 90 without the dagesh. But what about the <br>rest of Tanakh.<br><br>So, I asked my keter CD and was told that: In Nakh w/o <br>dagesh, there are 5 in Yehoshua and approximately 80 from <br>Shoftim to the end.. With dagesh, there are approx. 63 from <br>Shoftim on. A lot are hayehudim, hayevanim.<br><br>Interesting?<br><br>David<br> <br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Mesorah mailing list<br>Mesorah@lists.aishdas.org<br>http://lists.aishdas.org/listinfo.cgi/mesorah-aishdas.org</p></html>
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