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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>thanks. this is very helpful. That “be`alma” definitely makes a difference. I have understood in the past “be`alma” as indicating (or at least implying) “not belishna”. Is that incorrect?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Dov Bloom [mailto:dovb@netvision.net.il] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 01, 2010 7:10 PM<br><b>To:</b> Hayyim Obadyah; mesorah@lists.aishdas.org<br><b>Cc:</b> dovbbb@gmail.com; </span><span lang=HE dir=RTL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>משה בלום</span><span dir=LTR></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><span dir=LTR></span>; Elihu Shanoon<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mesorah] Allepo Codex - Ruth 1:9 (another source)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I found one other (I wouldn't call it secondary) source outside of the Allepo Codex with this same Messora:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Codex Lamed (mem) whose Messora Gedola Rav M. Breuer published in 5751 (reissued by Reuven Mas 5762). This Codex was written by, punctuated by and had the massoretic notes written by one Shmuel Ben Yaacov, who also punctuated and wrote the Massora of the Leningrad B19a codex. Its MG is greatly influenced by the Bavli Massora. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>On Dvarim 31:21 it says </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>"Ki Timtzena" (Deut 31:21 ) Umtzena menucha (Ruth 1:9) kt' (ktuvin ken) b'alm' (b'alma). </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>The editor R Breuer references the parallel Allepo MG in Dvarim. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>The usage "be'alma" is a Bavli Messora term, defined by Ofer in his book "Ha'Messora HaBavlit LaTorah Ekronoteha U'Dracheha" (Magnes 5761) as meaning (in my words, not his) - this Massoretic note is not limited to Tora/ or Neviim /or some sefer but applies to the whole Tanach. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I understand this Messora as specifying these 2 cases of the root M' Tz' A' ending with a nun with a kamatz - . <br>Both are plural feminine, if my dikduk is on the level. That's pretty similar to me, better than an understood "be'lishana" which you have not infrequently in the Messora....</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Kol Tuv</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Dov Bloom (DB the younger on this list)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:HayyimObadyah@aol.com" title="HayyimObadyah@aol.com">Hayyim Obadyah</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:mesorah@lists.aishdas.org" title="mesorah@lists.aishdas.org">mesorah@lists.aishdas.org</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Sunday, October 31, 2010 8:18 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Re: [Mesorah] Allepo Codex - Ruth 1:9<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I’m sure you’re right. They just didn’t seem similar enough.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Can you suggest any secondary source on the Aleppo Codex massora that is not in L? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Yisrael Dubitsky [mailto:yidubitsky@gmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, October 31, 2010 12:02 PM<br><b>To:</b> Hayyim Obadyah<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:mesorah@lists.aishdas.org">mesorah@lists.aishdas.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mesorah] Allepo Codex - Ruth 1:9<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Aleppo at Deut 31:21 has the same note so clearly that is the second reference...Why would you discount that?<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Hayyim Obadyah <<a href="mailto:HayyimObadyah@aol.com">HayyimObadyah@aol.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p>It looks to me that the Aleppo Codex gives a masora qetana not in the Leningrad Codex for WMC)N <span lang=HE dir=RTL style='font-size:16.0pt'>וּמְצֶ֣אןָ</span><span lang=HE dir=RTL> </span>of "beth haser (twice defective)". However, I find no other occurrence of the word, with or without waw conjunctive, with or without final heh (although TMC)N <span lang=HE dir=RTL style='font-size:16.0pt'>תִמְצֶ֨אןָ</span><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span>, also haser, occurs in Deut 31:21). I found nothing listed for the word in Ginsburg's Massorah or Frensdorff's Massora Magna or his Ochlah W’ochlah. <o:p></o:p></p><p> <o:p></o:p></p><p>Am I misreading the manuscript pdf?<o:p></o:p></p><p>Hayyim<o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='color:#888888'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='color:#888888'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Mesorah mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Mesorah@lists.aishdas.org">Mesorah@lists.aishdas.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.aishdas.org/listinfo.cgi/mesorah-aishdas.org" target="_blank">http://lists.aishdas.org/listinfo.cgi/mesorah-aishdas.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>Mesorah mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Mesorah@lists.aishdas.org">Mesorah@lists.aishdas.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.aishdas.org/listinfo.cgi/mesorah-aishdas.org">http://lists.aishdas.org/listinfo.cgi/mesorah-aishdas.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></body></html>