[Mesorah] Fw: three consecutive shvas

Sun Aug 22 08:13:40 PDT 2021

R. Mandel
Do any of the commercially available chumashim have reliable texts for the
Targum? Torat Chaim, Haketer, others?
Jeremy

On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 10:59 AM Mandel, Seth via Mesorah <
mesorah at lists.aishdas.org> wrote:

>
>
> Rabbi Dr. Seth Mandel
> Rabbinic Coordinator
> The Orthodox Union
>
> Voice and Fax (212) 613-8330        e-mail mandels at ou.org
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> *From:* Mandel, Seth <mandels at ou.org>
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 22, 2021 10:26 AM
> *To:* Akiva Miller <akivagmiller at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* elazar teitz <emteitz at gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Mesorah] three consecutive shvas
>
> Unfortunately, you can NOT trust ArtScroll in this regard.
> ArtScroll aims to make the siddurim and chumashim used in Easter Europe
> before the War accessible to the modern audience, by reprinting them with
> new type and providing a translation.  That works fine with most things,
> but in places where an error crept into the siddurim or chumashim used in
> Europe, ArtScroll perpetuates the error.
> The Targum used in Eastern Europe was corrupted beyond easy repair by
> hundreds of years where Jews did not understand or use the Targum in
> public.  That started long before printing, so there were not reliable
> editions even when printing started, and the printers perpetuated the
> mistakes.
> You needn't take my word.  Many of the phrases in the Targum are also used
> in the Aramaic in Ezra and Daniel; you can see the difference in the
> forms.  Only the Teimanim kept an oral tradition of the Targum (they never
> stopped using it when the Torah is read).  But their tradition is based on
> the Babylonia tradition.
> As far as ArtScroll goes, there is a proof that they perpetuate the
> mistakes in Eastern Europe.  Now there is absolutely no doubt that the
> Masoretes had a qomatz in the penultimate word in Yesha‘yahu 5:16:
>
> וַיִּגְבַּ֛הּ יְיָ֥ צְבָ×֖וֹת בַּמִּשְׁפָּ֑ט וְהָ×ֵל֙ הַקָּד֔וֹשׁ
> נִקְדָּ֖שׁ בִּצְדָקָֽה
> Heavens, the person they hired to proofread their T'NaKh even got it
> right: hie thee to the ArtScroll T'NaKh and look at that verse.
> BUT when it came to the Machzor for RhS, they did not want to change the
> error in Ashkenaz machzorim used in Eastern Europe.  So when you look at
> this pasuq, which is brought before the חתימה of the brokho of קדושת השם
> (המלך הקדוש) on RhS, you will find a patach in that word.
> One can sympathize with ArtScroll. It was never their aim to put out
> corrected siddurim,. but to reproduce the European siddurim.  Many of their
> readers would have a fit if ArtScroll changed what they view as their holy
> nusach.
> But here you have a clear case where they corrected the T'NaKh but did not
> correct the machzor (or the siddur).
> Rabbi Teitz has told me that he pointed out in the past some of the
> mistakes to ArtScroll when they first put out their siddurim.  Many of the
> mistakes they declined to correct, claiming that that is the was it was in
> the holy siddurim from Europe.
> Rabbi Teitz, please correct me if I am misrememberig.
> I say that now there is no doubt that the correct puncutuation is with a
> qomatz, because that pasuq we have in the Aleppo Codex, from Ben Asher
> himself.
>
> Rabbi Dr. Seth Mandel
> Rabbinic Coordinator
> The Orthodox Union
>
> Voice and Fax (212) 613-8330        e-mail mandels at ou.org
>
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> *From:* Mesorah <mesorah-bounces at lists.aishdas.org> on behalf of Akiva
> Miller via Mesorah <mesorah at lists.aishdas.org>
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 22, 2021 7:20 AM
> *To:* mesorah at aishdas.org <mesorah at aishdas.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [Mesorah] three consecutive shvas
>
> Thanks to everyone who responded.  Just a few minutes before Shabbos, I
> did email out a response, but it accidentally went only to one person, and
> not to the whole group.
>
> Here's what I had sent then:
>
> > Thanks! In case anyone is wondering,  the edition I was using is the new
> Artscroll Onkelos. (Typos are very common in first editions.)
> > I should have checked other editions before asking, and I'll try to do
> so over Shabbos.
>
> It turns out that I could have discovered/corrected the typo not only by
> looking in other editions of Onkelos, but even by looking in the same
> volume that I was already using. "Widow" isn't all that rare a word, and it
> is spelled correctly in the very next two psukim after the pasuk that I had
> asked about! (typo in Devarim 24:19, correct in 24:20 and 24:21)
>
> Thanks again to all.
>
> Akiva Miller
>
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