[Mesorah] Kimchi's rules

[Mandel, Seth]

I wrote about the closest sound in English. O-umlaut is also close, but very different.  The umlaut sound in Herman are front vowels enunciated with the lips rounded. The Teimani cholam is a mid-central vowel, not front nor back, no rounding of the lips.


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On April 17, 2019 at 3:06:33 PM CDT, Mandel, Seth <mandels at ou.org> wrote:
Not exactly the Litvisher cheylom, which was a diphthong. And that is only from the Sha’abi areas in the south and west.
Most Teimanim use a cholam which is mid-central vowel, which does not sound like any vowel used in English. The closest is final vowel sound in “vigor” as pronounced in Cambridge and Boston when I grew up. You can here it in recordings of JFK. Not it is not identical, only closer than any other sound used in English. The British pronunciation is a sound called shwa, as in the American pronunciation of the final vowel in sofa, but that is less like the Teimani cholam.


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On April 17, 2019 at 10:57:11 AM CDT, Micha Berger via Mesorah <mesorah at lists.aishdas.org> wrote:

On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 10:05:21AM -0400, Zev Sero via Mesorah wrote:
: Shamim are those who dropped their old nusach in favor of nusach
: Sefarad. I don't see why this would have affected their accent.

Shamim were influenced by trading contacts with Shamma -- the Levant,
primarily Syria.

The same influence that would cause change in nusach could well shape
havarah and other minhagim.

(My son in law is Sepharadi, and I've been made more aware of the error
of lumping Sepharadim with Edot haMizrach, and with talking about all the
EhM as though there are only minor differences in havarah and nusach.)

(Tangent 2: ISIS = ISIL because Shamma = Levant.)

: On a practical level, I've never been to a Baladi shul, but the
: accent I've heard in Shami shuls (from those who didn't use the
: modern Israeli one) is identical to what you've described.  (With a
: Litvisher cheylom.)

I heard something more like the German /oe/ which fits RDB's
description:
> ... their cholam is a bit oyish but with the lips scrunched up,
> and their segol is very much like a patach. In some areas of Teiman,
> I believe its the south, the cholam is more like a tzeireh, that is,
> more like a litvak than a galitzianer

Although I still think the S Yemenites and the Litvaks really did
start out with /oe/ as well, and lost it comparatively recently.

המקום ינחם אותך בתוך שאר אבלי ציון וירושלים
-Micha
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