[Mesorah] Fw: Fwd: Re: exception to vavei haamudim

[Danny Levy via Mesorah]

Both "Shemor lecha" and "shnei hase'irim" keep the order of "bekah Shmo
while "Shoftim veshotrim" doesn't.
In addition, I have 2 Tikunei Sofrim, both of which have "Shemor lecha" and
"shnei hase'irim" at the top of amudim but not "Shoftim veshotrim", and I
can't recall having layned Shoftim from the top of an amud in any sefer.
So the latter would appear to be a less well established minhag.

2017-05-05 8:48 GMT+03:00 Mandel, Seth via Mesorah <
mesorah at lists.aishdas.org>:

>
> In addition, it is a minhag only in certain communities.  Teimani scribes
> are very careful about various things, but not about this.
>
> A community follows its own minhagim, but other communities are not bound
> by that.  This is one of the fallacies of many of the "rules" that are
> brought in various books by sofrim. The only rules that bind all Jews are
> in the Torah.  One cannot say that his communal minhag is a rule for other
> communities.
>
> A friend bought a mezuzah, and saw the "kuzu etc." written on the outside
> of the klaf.  He asked the sofer, who told him that a mezuzah is posul
> without it. Little did the sofer know that various communities require
> various things and one cannot say that the absence of those things makes it
> posul.  It is clear from Sefer haPardes and the "Siddur Rashi" that Rashi
> followed various rules, including when a mezuza had to be written (only two
> hours a week qualify) and various names of mal'akhim that had to be written
> in various places. That was the minhag in Rashi's place, but it does not
> pasel mezuzahs written according to halokho in other communities.  Many of
> the "rules" that sofrim follow are not rules, but minhagim, and a sefer
> Torah from elsewhere follows the halokho and its local minhagim.
>
> As Rabbi Bloom says, there are rules about the layout in the Torah and
> elsewhere, but these do not include such things as starting varius ‘ammudim
> with a vav, nor starting with "hamelekh" in the megillah. Many sofrim just
> know what they were taught, and they were taught the minhagim of a specific
> place.
>
>
> Rabbi Dr. Seth Mandel
>
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Dov Bloom" <dovbbb at gmail.com>
> Date: May 5, 2017 07:56
> Subject: Re: [Mesorah] exception to vavei haamudim
> To: "Nehemiah Klein" <kleinnd at gmail.com>
> Cc:
>
> Vavei haamudim is only a minhag. I know of sofrim who dont follow  it,
> where i live we have sfarim without it.
> The mechaber and Ramah both do not require it or recommend against it,
> likewise the 'Keset Sofer'.
>
> See www1.saad.org.il/elihu/vavei for an article marshalling the sources.
>
> On May 4, 2017 21:47, "Nehemiah Klein via Mesorah" <
> mesorah at lists.aishdas.org> wrote:
>
>> In this morning's kriya the word "shnei" as in "shnei haseirim" appears
>> on the top of an amud, it's not one of the six that make up "bekah Shmo", I
>> always thought every amud begins with a vav except for "bekah Shmo".
>> Anyone have any sources for this, or explanations?
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